International Certificate of Competance (ICC) Renewal

[NPMR]

I was thinking of going to Holland in 2015. Applied for an ICC to the RYA but got turned down unless I took a test with an approved tester.

Apparently my various RYA certificates from Comp. Crew to Yachtmaster Offshore (land based) certificates and 40 years sailing (30,000 miles or more probably - log books to prove it) is not good enough.

Won't be going there then.

 

[Sandyman]

I was thinking of going to Holland in 2015. Applied for an ICC to the RYA but got turned down unless I took a test with an approved tester.

Apparently my various RYA certificates from Comp. Crew to Yachtmaster Offshore (land based) certificates and 40 years sailing (30,000 miles or more probably - log books to prove it) is not good enough.

Won't be going there then.

How strange. I told them of my experience & refused to take any test. They sent an ICC.

 

[Tranona]

I was thinking of going to Holland in 2015. Applied for an ICC to the RYA but got turned down unless I took a test with an approved tester.

Apparently my various RYA certificates from Comp. Crew to Yachtmaster Offshore (land based) certificates and 40 years sailing (30,000 miles or more probably - log books to prove it) is not good enough.

Won't be going there then.

You don't need it for Holland. However, taking the test is very straightforward and takes a couple of hours. I have exactly the same as you and the tester assessed my boat handling skills on my own boat, asked very basic questions, looked at my log books, enjoyed his shot of malt and signed the chit.

Remember the ICC is an internationally recognised bit of paper that confirms your competence to a minimum standard, including boat handling, so not unreasonable to require a qualification that assessed the competences or a dedicated verifiable test.

 

[Baggy]

I was thinking of going to Holland in 2015. Applied for an ICC to the RYA but got turned down unless I took a test with an approved tester.

Apparently my various RYA certificates from Comp. Crew to Yachtmaster Offshore (land based) certificates and 40 years sailing (30,000 miles or more probably - log books to prove it) is not good enough.

Won't be going there then.

Hi NPMR

If I remember correctly ( this was over 10 years ago ) I sent off my log book with the same
certs as you but without the 40 years and 30,000 miles and I got an ICC


funny old world innit

 

[prv]

I was thinking of going to Holland in 2015. Applied for an ICC to the RYA but got turned down unless I took a test with an approved tester.

Apparently my various RYA certificates from Comp. Crew to Yachtmaster Offshore (land based) certificates and 40 years sailing (30,000 miles or more probably - log books to prove it) is not good enough.

Assuming there's a Day Skipper or above among your "various certificates", they would have sent a normal ICC by return, no test required. The fact that they didn't, and that you mention Holland, suggests to me that you were actually asking for the CEVNI endorsement required for the European inland waterways.

Did your Yachtmaster Offshore cover any of these signposts?

What does it mean if the boat coming towards you has a red pennant on the bow? Nothing in the Yachtmaster syllabus about that.

When a boat going upriver meets a boat going downriver, who gives way? Which side should they move to? What if one of them unfolds a blue board next to the bridge - it changes the rules, but did your Yachtmaster course explain how?

The RYA are not impugning your seagoing sailing abilities, but the Dutch require you to know their inland "highway code" rather than barging around their waterways ignorant of the rules. That doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

Pete

 

[Norman_E]

I have had an ICC since 2005 and renewed it in 2012. I had never been asked for it in Turkey or Greece until this year, when I had to show it to renew my Turkish Transit Log. Turkey has changed its rules and skippers of foreign registered vessels are now required to hold qualifications, an ICC will do. It appears that not all harbourmasters are up to speed on this and some people have renewed Transit Logs this year without showing certificates, but it would be unwise to attempt to enter Turkey, or renew a Transit Log without evidence of competence.

 

[Stork_III]

Assuming there's a Day Skipper or above among your "various certificates", they would have sent a normal ICC by return, no test required. The fact that they didn't, and that you mention Holland, suggests to me that you were actually asking for the CEVNI endorsement required for the European inland waterways.

Did your Yachtmaster Offshore cover any of these signposts?

What does it mean if the boat coming towards you has a red pennant on the bow? Nothing in the Yachtmaster syllabus about that.

When a boat going upriver meets a boat going downriver, who gives way? Which side should they move to? What if one of them unfolds a blue board next to the bridge - it changes the rules, but did your Yachtmaster course explain how?

The RYA are not impugning your seagoing sailing abilities, but the Dutch require you to know their inland "highway code" rather than barging around their waterways ignorant of the rules. That doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

Pete

Only if your is over 15m or can go above 20kts. Otherwise blunder about at your pleasure. :encouragement:

 

[ronsurf]

Only if your is over 15m or can go above 20kts. Otherwise blunder about at your pleasure. :encouragement:

I think you still need to know the rules for when you meet something that IS over 15m....

 

[Laundryman]

You don't need it for Holland. However, taking the test is very straightforward and takes a couple of hours. I have exactly the same as you and the tester assessed my boat handling skills on my own boat, asked very basic questions, looked at my log books, enjoyed his shot of malt and signed the chit.

Remember the ICC is an internationally recognised bit of paper that confirms your competence to a minimum standard, including boat handling, so not unreasonable to require a qualification that assessed the competences or a dedicated verifiable test.

It beats me why some people seem be able to obtain the icc in a couple of hours and my assessment, only last month, lasted 2 days. I had to demonstrate my ability to do every item on the list and answer umpteen questions on bouyage, light and sound signals.Plot courses, pick up bouys, mob drill, using warps to leave a windward pontoon etc etc etc. My assessment was certainly not just a formality. Thanks Alan

 

[Toutvabien]

I have had my ICC for about 15 years and have been asked for something that ICC seems to equate to on several occasions in Portugal, Turkey, Greece and ,I think, Spain. The question was usually something like license please and the ICC did the trick. I do agree though that as you get older renewal seems to happen rather frequently.

 

[Chris_Robb]

Assuming there's a Day Skipper or above among your "various certificates", they would have sent a normal ICC by return, no test required. The fact that they didn't, and that you mention Holland, suggests to me that you were actually asking for the CEVNI endorsement required for the European inland waterways.

Did your Yachtmaster Offshore cover any of these signposts?

What does it mean if the boat coming towards you has a red pennant on the bow? Nothing in the Yachtmaster syllabus about that.

When a boat going upriver meets a boat going downriver, who gives way? Which side should they move to? What if one of them unfolds a blue board next to the bridge - it changes the rules, but did your Yachtmaster course explain how?

The RYA are not impugning your seagoing sailing abilities, but the Dutch require you to know their inland "highway code" rather than barging around their waterways ignorant of the rules. That doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

Pete

Pete - I got my ICC because I needed it for the French Canals plus the inland waterways test. I suppose if I go back up the French canal in a few years time, they might want to see it - but I never showed it anywhere - even to buy the access to the canals.