In support of solar

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Solar panels are incredible.
They sit there doing their thing silently without moving.
We have four 180w panels mounted on our guardrail. They have a prop that supports the panels that can be quickly adjusted for angle. This allows us to take advantage of early morning or late evening bright sunshine.
We installed a new Victron MPPT controller in November 2019 in the BVIs. This runs all four panels. Since we installed the new reg, we have sailed back to the UK. The panels were deployed horizontal all the way across the Atlantic. In fact we have crossed the pond four times with panels deployed like this with no problems.
Back in the UK for 12 months we did a major refit on the boat. The panels were left in the garage whilst we did this work. We are heading back to the Caribbean and are currently on the Algarve dodging Orcas.
The panels have done 11 months of output once you strip out the refit period but their total accumulated output is currently 462kw. This equates to about 1.4kw per day.
Without the solar we would likely have to run the generator to charge the batteries. Something we never do.
You could argue that you don't need 720w of solar. 1.4kw output could be achieved with far less capacity. We find that even with an overcast day in the UK, with long summer days we could fully charge the batteries with our installation. Panels are cheap compared to other forms of charging.
On sunny days we are fully charged in the morning. In the afternoon we can turn on the immersion heater using spare solar capacity or when the weather is hot we use the ice maker.
When we do this we peak at about 2.2kw of solar per day. The maximum peak output of the panels has been greater than the rated output due to the MPPT regulator.
Solar is amazing
 
On a much more modest level, that's my experience too.

Jissel had two 20w panels with a cheap PWM controller that kept up with our needs at anchor during the summer and recharged the batteries between visits to the boat in winter. I currently have two 60w panels and an MPPT twin battery controller in the den that will be fitted to Jazzcat in the next week or two.
 
Absolutely agree. We have, by comparison, a very modest 250W of panels that this summer have kept us fully self sufficient in power whilst laying to the anchor - in Scotland!
We found that we needed little sunshine whilst in the UK simply because the days are so long in the summer. Lower intensity over a longer period gets you charged up
 
Yes completely agree panels are awesome. That said, Uma released a video yesterday about their new electric motor with regen and they were getting quite a lot of power with negligable impact on sailing performance. Probably not necessary in most scenarios but these guys have been in the arctic circle for months so their solar has been a bit less spectacular than usual :) Certainly interesting to see all this stuff developing, hopefully another 10 years we'll see electric boats be viable for normal weekend sailing scenarios.

 
Totally agree. I still get a good feeling knowing most of my electricity is free! We have 2 x 100W panels on a stern arch that can rotate about 60 deg fore and aft from horizontal and I reckon that pretty much doubles the output compared with fixed panels They supply most of our needs as liveaboards supplemented by the alternator as little as possible.
I'm going to upgrade to 350W this winter so I can run a water maker as well but most of the time that will be far more than we need. Being in Greece helps though!
 
hopefully another 10 years we'll see electric boats be viable for normal weekend sailing scenarios.
I rather think they are now - at a price. Uma seems to manage pretty well, even through a Norwegian winter

I don't know how much I'd pay for a couple of those Oceanvolt motor, enough LiFePO batteries and solar panels to drive them, and all the electronics to make them play nicely, but I suspect a couple of diesels would cost less, though I'd guess that putting them in a boat designed for them would be less expensive.

Early adopters for any technology have to be brave and have deep pockets but, once it becomes mainstream, it becomes both better and more affordable. I rather think Jazzcat is my last boat, but a big lottery win would certainly have me looking at electric power very closely for my new floating toy.
 
I rather think they are now - at a price. Uma seems to manage pretty well, even through a Norwegian winter

I don't know how much I'd pay for a couple of those Oceanvolt motor, enough LiFePO batteries and solar panels to drive them, and all the electronics to make them play nicely, but I suspect a couple of diesels would cost less, though I'd guess that putting them in a boat designed for them would be less expensive.

Early adopters for any technology have to be brave and have deep pockets but, once it becomes mainstream, it becomes both better and more affordable. I rather think Jazzcat is my last boat, but a big lottery win would certainly have me looking at electric power very closely for my new floating toy.
I just looked into this, for a planned re-powering project on Tigger. Just not viable from a purely financial point of view. Two to three time the cost estimated. I am afraid it will be still a diesel auxiliary, for us.
 
Solar power good. Electric drive not so much. Two different proposals.
My needs are met by 120w of solar.
ours too.

But given the success of our repowering of the MASSIVE 2.6hp outboard to an ePropulsion bit of kit, we investigated. The economics don't stack up (i.e. I can't afford it).

The "120w" portable, folding, panel we got this summer is fantastic, though.
 
Yes, solar is a “no brainer” for cruising yachts nowadays - extra power without the noise drawbacks of wind turbines, let alone generator, or high costs of good water driven generators (though there is a place for these other solutions for some, but in addition to solar)
 
I rather think they are now - at a price. Uma seems to manage pretty well, even through a Norwegian winter

I don't know how much I'd pay for a couple of those Oceanvolt motor, enough LiFePO batteries and solar panels to drive them, and all the electronics to make them play nicely, but I suspect a couple of diesels would cost less, though I'd guess that putting them in a boat designed for them would be less expensive.

Early adopters for any technology have to be brave and have deep pockets but, once it becomes mainstream, it becomes both better and more affordable. I rather think Jazzcat is my last boat, but a big lottery win would certainly have me looking at electric power very closely for my new floating toy.
It works for Uma because they don't have a schedule. For someone in Cornwall who needs to be back in the Solent to go home for work it doesn't work as well. Obviously better planning works up to a point.

Cost wise I'd say it's about even already. Lithium is bordering on cheap now if you do it right, certainly it's cheaper than lead. The wiring will be there either way, so that just leaves the motor which may be a little more pricey than a diesel, but will never need spares or maintenance so kind of works out if you take a long view. 10 years from now though, that'll change drastically with diesel going up and up, and availability of engines starting to drop. We use road engines which are marinised and road engines are only going one way.

Agree on the lottery win, if only to create sufficient time to make the best of the electric boat. I certainly can't wait to get away from the heat, noise, smell and grease of a diesel.
 
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The economics don't stack up (i.e. I can't afford it).
These are two very different statements. Obviously I've not seen your numbers but I would imagine that the (long term) economics actually would stack up but you were not comfortable with the initial outlay? Very curious about the numbers if that isn't the case I find this all extremely interesting (and sorry to the OP!)
 
It works for Uma because they don't have a schedule. For someone in Cornwall who needs to be back in the Solent to go home for work it doesn't work as well. Obviously better planning works up to a point.

Cost wise I'd say it's about even already. Lithium is bordering on cheap now if you do it right, certainly it's cheaper than lead. The wiring will be there either way, so that just leaves the motor which may be a little more pricey than a diesel, but will never need spares or maintenance so kind of works out if you take a long view. 10 years from now though, that'll change drastically with diesel going up and up, and availability of engines starting to drop. We use road engines which are marinised and road engines are only going one way.

Agree on the lottery win, if only to create sufficient time to make the best of the electric boat. I certainly can't wait to get away from the heat, noise, smell and grease of a diesel.

How much lithium does an average yacht need motor at normal cruising speed for say 40hrs?
The two drive systems are not compatible at all.
 
Not as much as you'd think, the Sanoma was able to do so when reviewed by the Uma crew. Bear in mind that without a diesel engine you have a lot of space and weight which can be used for battery
 
I watched the Uma video last night. Amazing that they get 500w+ @ 6kn - what's not to like?

That said, I really didn't like the torpedo like shape of the saildrive leg. That seems like a really bad idea.
 
With the solar options available now and at cheap prices, has wind generation seen its day for most weekend cruisers?

Our 100w, and now upped to 200w, does us in Scotland.
 
The cost seems to still very high, whilst watching uma video last night, SWMBO had a look at the cost and said it was 45k for kit supplied.
 
My solar isn't even permanently mounted. I lay it out while anchored (2x100W flex panels) and connect with anderson plugs in a locker. It charges up the boat to 100% even with the fridge cold enough for making ice and laptop usage etc. I'd say that wind power has its place, but for weekend cruising probably not necessary.
 
The cost seems to still very high, whilst watching uma video last night, SWMBO had a look at the cost and said it was 45k for kit supplied.
How much for a brand new diesel with all the associated plumbing and spares and a Watt&Sea generator?
 
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