PilotWolf
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Try it on fishing boats towing gear - it's even more 'fun' then /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Solitaire
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All you do is ride over the stern wave
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And here we differ. You do not come in over the stern wave! You approach from astern outside of the stern wave and then draw alongside matching the speed and allow the low pressure system created between the bow and stern waves to effectively draw you in - you don't "force" the bow of the pacing boat onto the paced boat at all. Good throttle control is essential and to say that you would only do it on sailing club boats because of the fear of damage only goes to show the ignorance of the whole thing! We were doing this exercise on both our school boats and there was not even a black mark from the rubbing strake off the rib on the side of Motala.
Coming over the stern wave can lead to serious problems from simply loosing prop drive due to "dirty" water to being lifted up by the stern wave and deposited on the pace boat's stern. Don't think it's happened? It bloody well has - even to the point where the pacing boat ended up in the wheel house! Vessels can also be drawn under the pace boat, there has been a case where a boat rolled and went under neath the vessel it was pacing.
Plus this was not being done on a flat calm sea - it was blowing old boots out there yesterday - I have other shots going into wind. Trouble was my camera is not waterproof and it really needed video to show the actual conditions under which we were doing it.
Pacing against a yacht of course is a while different issue and does not carry anywhere near the dangers that pacing against a fast moving powerboat does.
As to any functionality? No,not in the leisure world.
I thought it might be of interest to show some boating pictures as opposed to the general diatribe that the forum consists of at the moment. My mistake!
All you do is ride over the stern wave
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And here we differ. You do not come in over the stern wave! You approach from astern outside of the stern wave and then draw alongside matching the speed and allow the low pressure system created between the bow and stern waves to effectively draw you in - you don't "force" the bow of the pacing boat onto the paced boat at all. Good throttle control is essential and to say that you would only do it on sailing club boats because of the fear of damage only goes to show the ignorance of the whole thing! We were doing this exercise on both our school boats and there was not even a black mark from the rubbing strake off the rib on the side of Motala.
Coming over the stern wave can lead to serious problems from simply loosing prop drive due to "dirty" water to being lifted up by the stern wave and deposited on the pace boat's stern. Don't think it's happened? It bloody well has - even to the point where the pacing boat ended up in the wheel house! Vessels can also be drawn under the pace boat, there has been a case where a boat rolled and went under neath the vessel it was pacing.
Plus this was not being done on a flat calm sea - it was blowing old boots out there yesterday - I have other shots going into wind. Trouble was my camera is not waterproof and it really needed video to show the actual conditions under which we were doing it.
Pacing against a yacht of course is a while different issue and does not carry anywhere near the dangers that pacing against a fast moving powerboat does.
As to any functionality? No,not in the leisure world.
I thought it might be of interest to show some boating pictures as opposed to the general diatribe that the forum consists of at the moment. My mistake!
Illusion
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This was a good article and me for one prefers this type of info to some of the drivel we've had on the forum recently.
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Having done significant rib work myself at our sailing club and having our own 4.5m rib, its one of those manoeuvres that we all like to think we can do….and usually do manage (to some degree?), but one we never perfect. With a rib you get away with the odd scuff and black mark, but I think you clearly demonstrate how it should be done, remaining safely in control. Put is this way, if it was a fibre glass boat coming along side us, I would feel pretty comfortable if it was you skippering it with your method.
Keep up the excellent work and keep sharing those tips!!
Phil
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Having done significant rib work myself at our sailing club and having our own 4.5m rib, its one of those manoeuvres that we all like to think we can do….and usually do manage (to some degree?), but one we never perfect. With a rib you get away with the odd scuff and black mark, but I think you clearly demonstrate how it should be done, remaining safely in control. Put is this way, if it was a fibre glass boat coming along side us, I would feel pretty comfortable if it was you skippering it with your method.
Keep up the excellent work and keep sharing those tips!!
Phil
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timgriffin
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All you do is ride over the stern wave
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And here we differ. You do not come in over the stern wave! You approach from astern outside of the stern wave and then draw alongside matching the speed and allow the low pressure system created between the bow and stern waves to effectively draw you in - you don't "force" the bow of the pacing boat onto the paced boat at all. Good throttle control is essential and to say that you would only do it on sailing club boats because of the fear of damage only goes to show the ignorance of the whole thing! We were doing this exercise on both our school boats and there was not even a black mark from the rubbing strake off the rib on the side of Motala.
Coming over the stern wave can lead to serious problems from simply loosing prop drive due to "dirty" water to being lifted up by the stern wave and deposited on the pace boat's stern. Don't think it's happened? It bloody well has - even to the point where the pacing boat ended up in the wheel house! Vessels can also be drawn under the pace boat, there has been a case where a boat rolled and went under neath the vessel it was pacing.
Plus this was not being done on a flat calm sea - it was blowing old boots out there yesterday - I have other shots going into wind. Trouble was my camera is not waterproof and it really needed video to show the actual conditions under which we were doing it.
Pacing against a yacht of course is a while different issue and does not carry anywhere near the dangers that pacing against a fast moving powerboat does.
As to any functionality? No,not in the leisure world.
I thought it might be of interest to show some boating pictures as opposed to the general diatribe that the forum consists of at the moment. My mistake!
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Calm Down David
It's only an advert /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Tim
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All you do is ride over the stern wave
[/ QUOTE ]
And here we differ. You do not come in over the stern wave! You approach from astern outside of the stern wave and then draw alongside matching the speed and allow the low pressure system created between the bow and stern waves to effectively draw you in - you don't "force" the bow of the pacing boat onto the paced boat at all. Good throttle control is essential and to say that you would only do it on sailing club boats because of the fear of damage only goes to show the ignorance of the whole thing! We were doing this exercise on both our school boats and there was not even a black mark from the rubbing strake off the rib on the side of Motala.
Coming over the stern wave can lead to serious problems from simply loosing prop drive due to "dirty" water to being lifted up by the stern wave and deposited on the pace boat's stern. Don't think it's happened? It bloody well has - even to the point where the pacing boat ended up in the wheel house! Vessels can also be drawn under the pace boat, there has been a case where a boat rolled and went under neath the vessel it was pacing.
Plus this was not being done on a flat calm sea - it was blowing old boots out there yesterday - I have other shots going into wind. Trouble was my camera is not waterproof and it really needed video to show the actual conditions under which we were doing it.
Pacing against a yacht of course is a while different issue and does not carry anywhere near the dangers that pacing against a fast moving powerboat does.
As to any functionality? No,not in the leisure world.
I thought it might be of interest to show some boating pictures as opposed to the general diatribe that the forum consists of at the moment. My mistake!
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Calm Down David
It's only an advert /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Tim
whisper
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oooooh, what a nice boat/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Not sure the colour scheme will catch on though.
Not sure the colour scheme will catch on though.
kingfisher
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One other thing: the skipper of the boat being" boarded" fixes on a point on the horizon, and the other boat joins. So one is "lead", the other is "wingman". If both try to join, drama will follow.
Kawasaki
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Calm Down David
It's only an advert /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Tim
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Tee double you A T /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Calm Down David
It's only an advert /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Tim
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Tee double you A T /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Hurricane
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You're right of course David.
It was just my speed in typing what came into my mind at the time.
In fact, I actually meant that you ride over the stern wave a couple of metres to one side of the boat then approach and lock in - but you do make a simple manouvre sound difficult - as I say, its fun but not difficult.
It was just my speed in typing what came into my mind at the time.
In fact, I actually meant that you ride over the stern wave a couple of metres to one side of the boat then approach and lock in - but you do make a simple manouvre sound difficult - as I say, its fun but not difficult.
Solitaire
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You're right of course David.
It was just my speed in typing what came into my mind at the time.
In fact, I actually meant that you ride over the stern wave a couple of metres to one side of the boat then approach and lock in - but you do make a simple manouver sound difficult - as I say, its fun but not difficult.
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Mike, if you look at my original post all I said about was that it should not be tried by the inexperienced! I did not discuss the actually method until you raised the point about riding over the stern wave. I'm now pleased to see that you have corrected the comment about riding over the stern wave, so you could say that we agree then /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
There are reasons why pacing was dropped from RYA courses, it can be dangerous and the faster you do it the greater the margin of error.
Seeing as Timg added so much to the debate by saying all I was doing was putting up an "advert" then yes, if you want specialised boat handling courses we run them, but outside of the RYA scheme and in a very controlled environment where safety is paramount hence the reason we were out "rehearsing" certain moves. But the average boater is happy just to be able to berth their pride and joy safely and without damage to their or others boats - oh and knowing how to get there and back!.
At the end of the day, we don't teach - we protect their investment!
Talking of which it's 08.30 and I need to move to go and protect someone's investment /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You're right of course David.
It was just my speed in typing what came into my mind at the time.
In fact, I actually meant that you ride over the stern wave a couple of metres to one side of the boat then approach and lock in - but you do make a simple manouver sound difficult - as I say, its fun but not difficult.
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Mike, if you look at my original post all I said about was that it should not be tried by the inexperienced! I did not discuss the actually method until you raised the point about riding over the stern wave. I'm now pleased to see that you have corrected the comment about riding over the stern wave, so you could say that we agree then /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
There are reasons why pacing was dropped from RYA courses, it can be dangerous and the faster you do it the greater the margin of error.
Seeing as Timg added so much to the debate by saying all I was doing was putting up an "advert" then yes, if you want specialised boat handling courses we run them, but outside of the RYA scheme and in a very controlled environment where safety is paramount hence the reason we were out "rehearsing" certain moves. But the average boater is happy just to be able to berth their pride and joy safely and without damage to their or others boats - oh and knowing how to get there and back!.
At the end of the day, we don't teach - we protect their investment!
Talking of which it's 08.30 and I need to move to go and protect someone's investment /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Greg2
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Great pics and a lovely RIB /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Used to do it all the time in the RN - everything from boarding small craft up to bringing the seaboat back alongside a carrier. Even used Rigid Raiders but switched to RIBS as they are much better for the job /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Your note of caution is right though - need to know what you are doing.
Used to do it all the time in the RN - everything from boarding small craft up to bringing the seaboat back alongside a carrier. Even used Rigid Raiders but switched to RIBS as they are much better for the job /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Your note of caution is right though - need to know what you are doing.
timgriffin
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There are reasons why pacing was dropped from RYA courses, it can be dangerous and the faster you do it the greater the margin of error.
Seeing as Timg added so much to the debate by saying all I was doing was putting up an "advert" then yes, if you want specialised boat handling courses we run them, but outside of the RYA scheme and in a very controlled environment where safety is paramount
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David
You must remember lots of schools do offer the same bespoke type courses so, you are no different than the rest of them.
Nice to see a debate on a manouvre not taught in the RYA unless you consider pacing in the safety boat syllabus.
"Can come alongside underway -other powerboat and sailing craft" RYA Powerboat Logbook G20/04
Nice to see that other peeps do use this manouvre in day to day use and don't find it a problem speed is the critical factor as you quite rightly say as is the approach angle .
Thought you were doing a great job on your own without adding anything else to the pot.Just smiled when you lost your temper so tried to put a fun angle on it to calm things down.
Did not work did it ,still we are all different and thats what makes the world go around .
I do teach my clients so they learn how to protect their investment.
Keep smiling old fella and don't let them get to you.
Tim
There are reasons why pacing was dropped from RYA courses, it can be dangerous and the faster you do it the greater the margin of error.
Seeing as Timg added so much to the debate by saying all I was doing was putting up an "advert" then yes, if you want specialised boat handling courses we run them, but outside of the RYA scheme and in a very controlled environment where safety is paramount
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David
You must remember lots of schools do offer the same bespoke type courses so, you are no different than the rest of them.
Nice to see a debate on a manouvre not taught in the RYA unless you consider pacing in the safety boat syllabus.
"Can come alongside underway -other powerboat and sailing craft" RYA Powerboat Logbook G20/04
Nice to see that other peeps do use this manouvre in day to day use and don't find it a problem speed is the critical factor as you quite rightly say as is the approach angle .
Thought you were doing a great job on your own without adding anything else to the pot.Just smiled when you lost your temper so tried to put a fun angle on it to calm things down.
Did not work did it ,still we are all different and thats what makes the world go around .
I do teach my clients so they learn how to protect their investment.
Keep smiling old fella and don't let them get to you.
Tim