T_S
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Anyone watching it on Channel 4? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Immigration is a Time Bomb
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Jeremy_W
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Yes.
T_S
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I have to say Rod Liddle has awoken fears I already had!
Oldhand
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Can't comment, big brother may be scanning the forum for restraining order candidates. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
AlexL
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I think I may step up my quest for emigration - however not for the reason of being worried about immigration, quite the reverse in fact. I'm not happy about living in an increasingly redneck, xenophobic country which is becoming very unwelcoming to any visitors. Its like watching a bunch of dogs pissing on lamposts to protect their imagined teritory.
We in this country generally, despite my moanings, have a good standard of living, and a healthy (ish) economy. Our economy is more than a little bit built upon the exploitation of thirld world resources, and our foreign policy of late is stiring up resentment and unrest in other parts of the world. Why shouldn't some of these people be able to escape the horror of their daily lives to seek a better life here? After all thats what our ancestors did, thats what 99.9% of the present day population of the US did within the last 100 years. Or is it a case of I'm alright jack, sod the rest of the world?
We in this country generally, despite my moanings, have a good standard of living, and a healthy (ish) economy. Our economy is more than a little bit built upon the exploitation of thirld world resources, and our foreign policy of late is stiring up resentment and unrest in other parts of the world. Why shouldn't some of these people be able to escape the horror of their daily lives to seek a better life here? After all thats what our ancestors did, thats what 99.9% of the present day population of the US did within the last 100 years. Or is it a case of I'm alright jack, sod the rest of the world?
StugeronSteve
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In the case of our forebears that headed west, I thought that they left to escape the religious liberalism "infecting" this country.
snowleopard
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i turned off the program as it was poorly presented and clearly xenophobic. it's a pity the debate should be so poorly served as there is a case to answer. clearly free mass immigration would, if allowed to operate unchecked, produce massive and largely detrimental changes to our society. on the other hand to turn away genuine refugees is inhumane and demeans us all.
somewhere in the middle is the current policy which has, since the present government was elected, increased the population by over 1 million. we should be debating whether that level is sustainable and what impact it will have on the economy, not echoing enoch powell's views.
somewhere in the middle is the current policy which has, since the present government was elected, increased the population by over 1 million. we should be debating whether that level is sustainable and what impact it will have on the economy, not echoing enoch powell's views.
KevB
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shouldn't some of these people be able to escape the horror of their daily lives to seek a better life here?
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Like 99.99% of the population I don't have a problem with the people you discribe above.
It's the economic asylum seeking migrants who come here without any intentions of adding anything to our society but take all they can get.
I don't live to far away from an area which has been used as a dumping ground for these people and now a once pleasant area has been turned into a $hit hole and a no go area.
Cue the lefties:.....
shouldn't some of these people be able to escape the horror of their daily lives to seek a better life here?
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Like 99.99% of the population I don't have a problem with the people you discribe above.
It's the economic asylum seeking migrants who come here without any intentions of adding anything to our society but take all they can get.
I don't live to far away from an area which has been used as a dumping ground for these people and now a once pleasant area has been turned into a $hit hole and a no go area.
Cue the lefties:.....
Das_Boot
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I am an economic migrant just like the millions of English people living abroad. My ancestors left halifax for South Africa they were economic migrants. I come from a long line of proud economic migrants from many parts of the world. In my line of work we facilitate economic migration both into and out of England. If I were to add up the numbers I believe the people I have sent abroad outnumbers the people I have brought in.
If I was working on a quota system of 1 to 1 I would need to import a few people. Any Ideas.
If I was working on a quota system of 1 to 1 I would need to import a few people. Any Ideas.
KevB
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Did your ancestors arrive in their host country with the sole intention to get what they could for as little effort as possible. Or did they want to intergrate and help build a life for themselves rather than expect it be given to them?
I guess it has something to do with their culture, you only have to look at how well oriental immigrants intigrate into our society, if they can do why can't others?
I'm not knocking Eastern European immigrants because of where they come from just from what I have seen to be their general attitude.
We have enough scroungers and work shy lazy arses of our own without getting anymore.
I guess it has something to do with their culture, you only have to look at how well oriental immigrants intigrate into our society, if they can do why can't others?
I'm not knocking Eastern European immigrants because of where they come from just from what I have seen to be their general attitude.
We have enough scroungers and work shy lazy arses of our own without getting anymore.
Das_Boot
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I have seen some pretty lazy arse Englishman living abroad. If you are an economic migrant you are hardly going to sit on your ass all day by definition you are emmigrating to make money. If you are a dole migrant you would have to be pretty stupid to come to England the larger economy's in Europe have much more attractive handouts.
KevB
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Econimics is all relative. They get handed on a plate here in one year more than most could dream about earning in 10 back home.
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The ones I know living in Britain are extremely hard working and very motivated - much more so than the majority of Brits. Also an awful lot of extremely talented people. This is of course a massive generalisation, but nevertheless true. The big problem for Britain is that it is difficult to keep up with them, they are a big challenge. In Britain we are much more used to sitting back and having things handed to us on a plate. But I don't think that keeping them out would take away this threat, the Eastern European economies will also, ARE also, becoming an increasing challenge. We can't face the challenge by burying our head in the sand, or trying to lock them out. Better (for us) for them to do their bit boosting the UK economy!
BTW it's not a one-way process. I heard the other day that there are 20-30,000 Brits living in Krakow alone (incl. me). Estate Agents in the centre of the city tell me that the MAJORITY of buyers are British. One told me that 9 out of 10 are Brits, maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but not much, I think.
BTW it's not a one-way process. I heard the other day that there are 20-30,000 Brits living in Krakow alone (incl. me). Estate Agents in the centre of the city tell me that the MAJORITY of buyers are British. One told me that 9 out of 10 are Brits, maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but not much, I think.
snowleopard
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an important point about economic migration is that most of those who come are of working age and help to redress the balance of working to retired, in short, they work and pay taxes which support our retirement. another point is that first generation immigrants from the third world are generally prepared to do jobs which our native population don't want to do.
i personally haven't seen loads of immigrants queueing up for dole money, the ones i see are working long hours to give themselves a good standard of living.
i personally haven't seen loads of immigrants queueing up for dole money, the ones i see are working long hours to give themselves a good standard of living.
Das_Boot
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I think Kevinb is confusing political asylum with migration. One needs to define terms othewise everyone is at cross purposes.
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I don't think he can be - political asylum from Eastern Europe? Unless he is thinking of Chechnya, perhaps?
KevB
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Take a look outside ANY east london or kent dole office on pay day. If they are all coming here to work and there are jobs waiting for them then maybe we need setup some kind of sponsorship where they can come in if they have a job sponsor. No handouts, if you don't get the job then it's back home. They take the risk at their expense.
Genuine Asylum seekers are welcome and should be given full use of our social security system.
Economic migrants have to pay their own way. Is this not a good idea?
Genuine Asylum seekers are welcome and should be given full use of our social security system.
Economic migrants have to pay their own way. Is this not a good idea?
KevB
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PS
I don't think we should let our own school/college/uni leavers sign on to the dole. If there is a vacancy regardless of what it is they should be made to take it. If you are a fit and healthy person you should have to work at least 5 years before you are entitled to benefits. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
[edit] Actually, thinking about it, they should be given 6 months of job seekers allowance to help pay for transport to interviews. If they have not found anything within that time then they are allocated a job.
I don't think we should let our own school/college/uni leavers sign on to the dole. If there is a vacancy regardless of what it is they should be made to take it. If you are a fit and healthy person you should have to work at least 5 years before you are entitled to benefits. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
[edit] Actually, thinking about it, they should be given 6 months of job seekers allowance to help pay for transport to interviews. If they have not found anything within that time then they are allocated a job.
Das_Boot
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Re: PS
When I first arrived in England I was not allowed to work, I was not allowed to obtain any money from the public purse. I worked for an Iraqi guy fixing computers for £60 a week. My wife of course was allowed to work and did. We managed. I have never drawn any dole. My son on the other hand was on the dole after leaving Uni as he studied politics against my advice however he went back to uni and is now a lawyer. He will pay your pension and mine. He pays enough tax and added to my tax and my wifes tax I think there is enough to pay 20 english pensioners.
When I first arrived in England I was not allowed to work, I was not allowed to obtain any money from the public purse. I worked for an Iraqi guy fixing computers for £60 a week. My wife of course was allowed to work and did. We managed. I have never drawn any dole. My son on the other hand was on the dole after leaving Uni as he studied politics against my advice however he went back to uni and is now a lawyer. He will pay your pension and mine. He pays enough tax and added to my tax and my wifes tax I think there is enough to pay 20 english pensioners.
KevB
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Re: PS
Fantastic!! Well Done!! Exactly what should happen but generally doesn't.
I'm not having a dig at the people who come here to work, my grip is with the large amount who I see dossing.
Don't you think the job sponsor is a good idea? We can setup a "careers" office in Calais. Give them a medical and arrange an interview for one of the "millions" of unfilled vacancies we have, then put them on a special train along with a one week rail/bus/tube pass. If they don't get the job they can either return home or visit another job centre for another interview. They can continue applying for jobs untill either they find one or run out of money, at which point they get deported.
Fantastic!! Well Done!! Exactly what should happen but generally doesn't.
I'm not having a dig at the people who come here to work, my grip is with the large amount who I see dossing.
Don't you think the job sponsor is a good idea? We can setup a "careers" office in Calais. Give them a medical and arrange an interview for one of the "millions" of unfilled vacancies we have, then put them on a special train along with a one week rail/bus/tube pass. If they don't get the job they can either return home or visit another job centre for another interview. They can continue applying for jobs untill either they find one or run out of money, at which point they get deported.
