I'm out of touch with the price of new motorboats.

[burgundyben]

I have been keeping a weather eye on a few boat sales websites for two reasons, firstly because I am attempting to sell Playtime and keeping an eye on the competition, secondly I'm on the look out for a rowing skiff.

I happened to note, an Aquador 28HT, strikes me its kind of similar to the hard top version of mine, but of course, 50 years newer.

Had I not seen the price I'd have guessed it to come in at around £100k, but its £180k.

That's a lot of money, you can buy property and put tennants in there and get some return.

Its not something that a mere mortal like me would raise the money for, but its also not something the more affluent would buy, seems to be stuck in some sort of middle ground with little market to me?

For £180k it doesn't offer enough. I think.

Maybe I'm just out of touch, I was shocked yesterday to see a Kia Cee'd for £23,240 (who in their right mind...) when I happen to know you can buy a new Honda Civic for the same money.

 

[rustybarge]

Snap. Great minds think alike.....look at the 'diesel or petrol' blog on 'liveaboard' section.
Maybe everybody else is a millionaire, and we're just poor b****rds. Can't make sense of people spending £ hundreds of thousands on a bit of plastic.........

Get back to grassroots of boating...actually cruising in your boat, not showing off.

 

[burgundyben]

Get back to grassroots of boating...actually cruising in your boat, not showing off.

Interesting comment, its pretty basic on PT, no heating, running water, no hot water, very much like camping out on board, just the way I like it.

 

[rustybarge]

Interesting comment, its pretty basic on PT, no heating, running water, no hot water, very much like camping out on board, just the way I like it.

I've got electricity on my river mooring, so I use a domestic hot water immersion. My little wood burning stove isn't up to much in the winter, I burn peat briquettes, but the smell of turf is gorgeous.

Overall it's hard to understand the prices of modern boats, I reckon they are 3 times what you would expect................

With the price of diesel, anything larger that a dingy is just a big pile of scrap, IMO.

I've ordered an inflatable canoe for Christmas........

 

[rafiki_]

It is a very good job that some people do buy new boats, and being an open market, builders will charge what the market can afford, and looking at how flaky the builders are, there is clearly not much margin.

Otherwise there would be no industry, driving jobs and commerce and no good used boats for the likes of me to buy and enjoy.

 

[burgundyben]

It is a very good job that some people do buy new boats, and being an open market, builders will charge what the market can afford, and looking at how flaky the builders are, there is clearly not much margin.

Makes me wonder if we'd benefit from less builders working on a more stable business footing and building at higher volume, albeit we'd have less choice.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

It is a very good job that some people do buy new boats, and being an open market, builders will charge what the market can afford, and looking at how flaky the builders are, there is clearly not much margin.

Otherwise there would be no industry, driving jobs and commerce and no good used boats for the likes of me to buy and enjoy.

As a serial buyer of used boats, I agree, but I have to say that the amount of money that manufacturers ask for their new boats and that some people seem to be willing to pay simply amazes me. Not wishing to have a go at anyone in particular but Sunseeker asking the best part of £1/2m for an unremarkable 40ft sterndrive sports cruiser takes the biscuit IMHO. Still, as you say, providing there are mugs out there willing to buy new boats, thats good for UK PLC and the rest of us

 

[volvopaul]

I have been keeping a weather eye on a few boat sales websites for two reasons, firstly because I am attempting to sell Playtime and keeping an eye on the competition, secondly I'm on the look out for a rowing skiff.

I happened to note, an Aquador 28HT, strikes me its kind of similar to the hard top version of mine, but of course, 50 years newer.

Had I not seen the price I'd have guessed it to come in at around £100k, but its £180k.

That's a lot of money, you can buy property and put tennants in there and get some return.

Its not something that a mere mortal like me would raise the money for, but its also not something the more affluent would buy, seems to be stuck in some sort of middle ground with little market to me?

For £180k it doesn't offer enough. I think.

Maybe I'm just out of touch, I was shocked yesterday to see a Kia Cee'd for £23,240 (who in their right mind...) when I happen to know you can buy a new Honda Civic for the same money.

Or a nice Audi

 

[lynall]

I wouldnt buy a Kia either, but to most people ie non diy/mechs, a car with a seven year warranty must have some appeal?
Spoke to a breakdown driver the other week, asked him whats best car regards reliablity he answered skoda, i then asked him worst, Audi, Mercedes and he reckons worst of all BMW.


Lynall

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I wouldnt buy a Kia either, but to most people ie non diy/mechs, a car with a seven year warranty must have some appeal?
Spoke to a breakdown driver the other week, asked him whats best car regards reliablity he answered skoda, i then asked him worst, Audi, Mercedes and he reckons worst of all BMW.


Lynall

I think he was probably lying. My observation driving the roads of this country is that every broken down car is inevitably a Land Rover with Discoverys way in the lead

 

[Deefor]

Maybe I'm just out of touch, I was shocked yesterday to see a Kia Cee'd for £23,240 (who in their right mind...) when I happen to know you can buy a new Honda Civic for the same money.

Or you can buy a new fully spec'd Viking 20 river boat for roughly the same http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311736

Brand new budget boating at it's best .

 

[rustybarge]

Viking are fantastic river boats. Maybe they a little optimistic calling them estuary boats.......incredible amount if space for their size.

Just shows that there are good value boats still available in the uk.

 

[aquapower]

I think he was probably lying. My observation driving the roads of this country is that every broken down car is inevitably a Land Rover with Discoverys way in the lead

That would be why they are cheap, I was recently pricing up a replacement for my Landcruiser and the equivalent Discovery was £10k cheaper, still wouldn't have one though.
The Toyota has gone up a lot just like the boats have since I bought my current one, the list price is almost £10k more, I would rather buy one a year old this time, but after talking to the dealers they tell me new ones aren't selling as they were.

 

[rafiki_]

I think he was probably lying. My observation driving the roads of this country is that every broken down car is inevitably a Land Rover with Discoverys way in the lead

Interesting. I live in the sticks, and see lots of Land Rovers and Rangies, none by the side of the road with the bonnet up. The views on the TV showing the floods in the SW tend to show Defenders doing sterling work in difficult conditions. These ate products you can rely on, not just the Chelsea farming set.

Anyway, back to boats............

 

[Whopper]

Slightly off topic. But, a while back MBM offered an old copy (circa 20+ years old) of the magazine I remember thinking that it was quite interesting that the price of certain older boats new back then was much the same as the used prices today. More specifically a Broom 9/70 or 10/70. Interesting all the same. So maybe if over the next few years that globally we face some rising inflation. Buying a new boat might just make some sense!

 

[lynall]

I think he was probably lying. My observation driving the roads of this country is that every broken down car is inevitably a Land Rover with Discoverys way in the lead

I run a 21 year old defender as my every day car, always got me home sometimes in difficult conditions.
Problem with old land rovers is like old boats in fact old anything they need constant tlc to keep going reliably, and most people cant or wont do this hence the breakdowns.
Cant comment on the newer stuff, but i dont think ive seen one broken down on my short trips to work, now ive said that they will be littering the roads tomorrow


Lynall

 

[EugeneR]

I don't buy new cars or boats as it does not make sense. That means I can afford 3 cars (eclass, aclass, mx5) for less than half of what one would cost new (eclass). I buy them with around 5000 miles on the clock so they smell and drive like new.

Boats are crazy money. Even taking a £100k boat over 10 years will cost a lot more than £100k so you have to get that much value from it. At my age £100k can still make £700+/month difference on my pension which will be a lot then. Why would I spend four times that on a new one?

 

[gravygraham]

I don't buy new cars or boats as it does not make sense.

To you perhaps . . .

Still, as you say, providing there are mugs out there willing to buy new boats, thats good for UK PLC and the rest of us

Perhaps I'm over imbued with Christmas spirit but isn't calling them mugs a bit harsh?

 

[crazy4557]

I wouldnt buy a Kia either, but to most people ie non diy/mechs, a car with a seven year warranty must have some appeal?
Spoke to a breakdown driver the other week, asked him whats best car regards reliablity he answered skoda, i then asked him worst, Audi, Mercedes and he reckons worst of all BMW.


Lynall

I've had 5 new BMW's in the last 23 months (brilliant lease scheme but now gone bust) and nothing but nothing gone wrong in 55000 miles until my latest one....the drivers side wiper is slightly noisy

I agree about the price of new boats...totally unrealistic and surely unsustainable but I'll be proved wrong hopefully. Don't know how these buyers make so much money

 

[Latestarter1]

I think he was probably lying. My observation driving the roads of this country is that every broken down car is inevitably a Land Rover with Discoverys way in the lead

When I was doing work on VW commercial vehicle project guys in Wolfsburg had all the warranty and geriatric reliability data which recovery companies compile and sell. Based on this bought in reliability data, Ford were ahead of VW/Audi who in turn were way ahead of BMW. Land Rover Discovery data was included in Ford sub set by then. BMW RPH (Repairs Per Hundred) of vehicles produced showed that the BMW M5 was a horrorbox of both auto gearbox and electronic issues. Suspect that BMW dealers were better at customer service.