Illegal USA Boat Imports

wonging

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Like many on here ive been attracted recently to the possibilty of buying and importing a used boat from the USA with the intention of saving a few quid along the way, ive read quiet a few of the threads on here which have been very informative, however there seems to be alot of confusion as to the legalities of importing a used boat from accross the pond.

The Recreational Craft Directive which came into force on the 16th June 1998
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Special Note Regarding Used Craft

The Directive requires that used craft being imported and placed on the market in the EEA for the first time, or being put into service in the EEA for the first time, are CE marked. However, the requirements of the Directive make no special provision for used craft and are such that it is impossible for second hand craft to comply with them. This means that used craft cannot be CE marked and therefore cannot be legally imported into the EEA. This anomaly in the Directive is well known about among member states but there are no immediate plans to rectify it. There are amendments to the Directive tabled for about 2003, but it is unlikely that these will include any changes regarding used craft. This means that the importation of used craft into the EEA is likely to remain illegal for the foreseeable future.

Craft which have been used in the EU prior to the date of full implementation of the Directive are exempt from its requirements. For the purposes of these exemption the waters of dependencies of EU member states are also considered as EUterritory.


Therefore the above leaves me with the conclusion that i cannot legally import a used boat even if it was manufactured before 16th June 1998 without having it CE certified at such a high prohibitive cost as to negate any major saving as opposed to buying the same used boat in the UK.

I know some of you have recently imported pre 1998 used boats and you have given the impression that you have not had them CE certified, if this is the case, then can you tell me what your insurance companies attitude was to this situation, are you insured with a company which specialises in grey imports, are you insured at all?

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Wong

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No boat had CE plating prior to that date so insurance companies wouldnt know the difference in an imported one or a uk based one, insurance is no problem, after that date they could ask in theory to see the CE approval information. But there are many other factors that need looking into that can affect importation.

the statement about not being able to CE plate used craft is nonesense they can be CE approved in the states a number of companies do it and some manufacturers offer kits for a few hundred dollars that do it.

Id just bear in mind that all the rules are written and implimented purely for the protection of commercial interest in the UK and not for any safety as they try to make you believe- it s apile of crock! most mass produced boats that are sold in the uk and built in the USA only need basic things like fuel cut off and fuel pipes changed but when doing a CE approval they float test, check hatches etc etc, ok if its on a boat not usually imported into the UK but on things Like sea rays!!! laughable.

Not condoning the breaking of laws in any way just stating a fact and as your title puts it, it is illegal although wholly unjustifiable.



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Thats interesting as I've been looking at yachts in the Caribbean, so a yacht that was in Martinique before the directive would be OK as its an EU dependency.
Most boats from the East Coats US could have made it to Martinique in short hops.. so you just need a receipt for a marina berth there...(a few beers might get one of those) and your off?

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Hi kevin, well im interested in importing a used bayliner 2855, are you saying i can get this boat CE certified in the USA before i ship it back by buying a kit and doing some tinkering?

who is going to sell me this kit then? surely not bayliner?

please tell more.....

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Subject been done before, read on...

This subject was covered in depth by me about a year ago. I introduced an American (actually he's English) chap to this forum, where he was asked a wide variety of questions to which he provided good quality answers. In his answers he stated that he was involved in negotiations with CE in order to provide the CE mark that some buyers insist upon - only at a reasonable price. His name is Mark O'Carrol and his company is called Global Trade Partners and his details are below. Mark is a very "hands on" type chap and will take calls personally.

Global Trade Partners
11876 Olde Oaks Court South
Jacksonville
Florida
32223
USA
Mark T. O'Carroll
Tel: +1 904 886 9933
Fax: +1 904 268 6376
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.globaltradepartners.net/>http://www.globaltradepartners.net/</A>

Dave_Snelson has no connection with the above company and the information provided is for your own use. Dave_Snelson does not provide endorsements in this matter.


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It would be very interesting to know if any body has ever been fined or has had any problems selling a grey boat ,there are lots of grey boats being brought into this country and HM customs does not object to the VAT and duty being paid on each boat.

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If you insure the boat without declaring it a grey illegal import and something happens leading to a claim and a marine insurance/loss adjuster visit any inspector worth their sort would surely take very little time indeed to realise that the boat was indeed a grey illegal import thus possibly leading to your policy being null and void, so has anyone declared their boats to be illegal grey imports? if so has this affected your insurance in anyway?

am i worrying too much here?

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Not grey. Illegal or legal. The chances are you won't be picked up on this unless you cross channel on a frequent basis. You will have a problem selling the boat unless you can find someone who doesn't know or understand the regulations. Probably over 98% of the boating population have no clue

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Hi

once in the UK if a pre 1998 no one can tell, surveyor or not, that its been imported it is excatly the same as the other boats in the UK, there is nothing to distinguish them.

with regards insurance again as they are exactly the same as UK boats after a few minor changes ( pre 1998) there is no trouble on insurance whatsoever.

There are dealers / importers in the UK whose used boats are imported from the USA, I know the people they source from in the States, so there must be many people out there with imported pre 1998 boats who dont know it.

Its the freight arrangments that can put the spanner in the works!

Wongin what i would say is that it is illegal to bring them in and everybody makes their own decision on what they feel to be the best course of action, if you find a boat through an experienced exporter they should be able to walk you through the whys and wherefores, CE etc.

BrendanS wasnt a direct response to your post just tagged this post on from it, have to say that as I think I may have upset somebody in the past thinking my post was aimed directly as a response to theirs.

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