ICC

[nigelm]

I decided it was about time I renewed my ICC as it had expired in 2002
When the replacement came today I see that the inland bit had been left off
I checked the old one and it was on that , now I'm guessing it has something to
Do with the CEVNI thing which I haven't done , does it matter much ? , do others have it or not ?

 

[Burnham Bob]

I got my ICC a few years ago and the Inland Waterways bit now does depend on passing the CEVNI test. I'm going to do it and have bought the RYA guide 'European Waterways Regulations' which cost me a fiver from Amazon. I've taken the practice test on the RYA Interactive website and sailed through it after a couple of hours study. Next step is to affiliate to a sailing school and take the test online - you can do it for around £20-£25 if you need it.

If you're an RYA member they'll update your ICC free of charge so if you do need the Inland qualification (I don't think its absolutely necessary for canals in Holland and France) that's the easy not so expensive route

 

[Skysail]

It matters if you want to take your boat inland in Europe.

The RYA has the test online which makes it very straightforward.

See here, if you will forgive the plug

http://www.btinternet.com/~keith.bater/cevni.htm

 

[FullCircle]

Nigel,
the Roach Sailing Assoc hold ICC course and tests every now and then.
You know you ought to belong....

 

[nigelm]

Thanks for the quick replies guys , to be honest our cruising will be mostly coastal with the odd crossing to Belgium , Holland and France and as long I won't need that bit for the Veerse Meere etc then I might wait a while .

Need to get all passports sorted now and 5 of those is gonna hurt

 

[nigelm]

Nigel,
the Roach Sailing Assoc hold ICC course and tests every now and then.
You know you ought to belong....

Jim , I am in the RSA , might even be having a mooring at pagelsham

 

[Cantata]

You don't need CEVNI in Holland, at least not for the delta area in the south. Not sure where any demarcation line might be, if one exists.

 

[Koeketiene]

You don't need CEVNI in Holland

This is about to change.
Two sets of rules and regulations are currently applicable in Holland:
1. Het Binnenvaartpolitiereglement (BPR) - 1984
2. De Scheepvaartverkeerswet (SVW) - 1988
Both of these together make up the Dutch equivalent of CEVNI - only minor differences.

However, as from 2012 the Netherlands will adopt CEVNI to bring itself in line with other countries on the continent.
CEVNI will be applicable on all interior non-tidal waters.

 

[johnalison]

I've sailed to or through Holland almost every other year for the last thirty years and although we've been boarded by Immigration no-one has ever asked to look at my certificates - but that doesn't mean it won't happen some time. It's such an easy certificate to acquire that there's no point in not getting one.

 

[LittleSister]

It's been pointed out on other threads that there's a problem with the way the RYA ICC is worded in relation to inland waterways. Your normal Yachtmaster, or whatever, qualifies you to sail in coastal AND inland waterways except CEVNI regulated inland waterways. However, if you don't have a CEVNI certificate, the ICC you get from the RYA will show you as not qualified for (any) inland waterways.

I don't know if anyone has been caught out, but there's certainly at least the potential for foreign officials to think it means you are not qualified for inland waters, CEVNI or not. (If you have your Cevni cert it will show you qualified for all inland waterways.)

 

[Cantata]

This is about to change........However, as from 2012 the Netherlands will adopt CEVNI to bring itself in line with other countries on the continent.
CEVNI will be applicable on all interior non-tidal waters.

It would be useful if the Dutch were to be specific. e.g. on a journey from Vlissingen towards Willemstad, the Walcheren canal obviously is not tidal, the Veersemeer is a bit, the Oosterscheldte is very tidal, and the Volkerak not at all.
Perhaps it would be easier if they specified that CEVNI would apply on any waters not directly connected to the North Sea, then we'd all know where we stand. I know a lot of folk who regularly go to Zeeland and beyond and I'm not aware that any of them have a CEVNI ticket.
Well, that's something else to get done this winter!

 

[sailorman]

It would be useful if the Dutch were to be specific. e.g. on a journey from Vlissingen towards Willemstad, the Walcheren canal obviously is not tidal, the Veersemeer is a bit, the Oosterscheldte is very tidal, and the Volkerak not at all.
Perhaps it would be easier if they specified that CEVNI would apply on any waters not directly connected to the North Sea, then we'd all know where we stand. I know a lot of folk who regularly go to Zeeland and beyond and I'm not aware that any of them have a CEVNI ticket.
Well, that's something else to get done this winter!

the cevni is a nonsense.
a numpty non boater can hire a boat its not req
own a boat having crossed the North Sea in her,it is

 

[MoodySabre]

the cevni is a nonsense

The ICC is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. When I did my ICC even the person who did an accidental jibe in 5 knots of wind got their ICC. Who the hell remembers all those CEVNI stuff anyway after a couple of years. Got the badge and the book though About as useful as the Dutch Wateralmanac.

 

[sailorman]

The ICC is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. When I did my ICC even the person who did an accidental jibe in 5 knots of wind got their ICC. Who the hell remembers all those CEVNI stuff anyway after a couple of years. Got the badge and the book though About as useful as the Dutch Wateralmanac.

Mk 1 or 2

 

[Stork_III]

This is about to change.
Two sets of rules and regulations are currently applicable in Holland:
1. Het Binnenvaartpolitiereglement (BPR) - 1984
2. De Scheepvaartverkeerswet (SVW) - 1988
Both of these together make up the Dutch equivalent of CEVNI - only minor differences.

However, as from 2012 the Netherlands will adopt CEVNI to bring itself in line with other countries on the continent.
CEVNI will be applicable on all interior non-tidal waters.

But will the current exemption from needing a license still apply? (ie if less than 15m length and 20 knot max speed not required). I can't believe that the millions of Dutch sailors are going to get license by 2012.

 

[nigelm]

So basically , having just renewed my icc I've now got to do another test and send it back again just to go to Holland - mmmmm
Maybe I won't bother then , what with the Belgian's moaning about the diesel and the French moaning about every thing else we'll just stay here , save £500 on passports and put towards picking up a mooring at westmersea

 

[sailorman]

So basically , having just renewed my icc I've now got to do another test and send it back again just to go to Holland - mmmmm
Maybe I won't bother then , what with the Belgian's moaning about the diesel and the French moaning about every thing else we'll just stay here , save £500 on passports and put towards picking up a mooring at westmersea

in 30 yrs of boating in Holland i have yet to be asked.
if they do

 

[PeterGibbs]

I decided it was about time I renewed my ICC as it had expired in 2002
When the replacement came today I see that the inland bit had been left off
I checked the old one and it was on that , now I'm guessing it has something to
Do with the CEVNI thing which I haven't done , does it matter much ? , do others have it or not ?

CEVNI is not essential for the tripping you plan but knowing the rules of the road will enhance any voyage to these countries' coastal bits - so get the book from the RYA and get conversant. I suggest.

Should you venture into Belgian or French inland waterways you will need to prove CENVI compliance. The mast-up route through Holland does not require proof of CEVNI certification, but you will see a lot of the CEVNI signals and with so much metal moving about it pays to know the rules of the road.

The UK ICC is however your maritime passport in these aras, whether on the coat or inland, so you need to have one and in date.

PWG

 

[Wunja]

This is about to change.
Two sets of rules and regulations are currently applicable in Holland:
1. Het Binnenvaartpolitiereglement (BPR) - 1984
2. De Scheepvaartverkeerswet (SVW) - 1988
Both of these together make up the Dutch equivalent of CEVNI - only minor differences.

However, as from 2012 the Netherlands will adopt CEVNI to bring itself in line with other countries on the continent.
CEVNI will be applicable on all interior non-tidal waters.

Can you provide the background on that please?

I've had a good look around on the ANWB watersport website and can find no mention of it.
Additionally even if the rules change to follow CEVNI, then it doesn't mean that you need an CEVNI endorsed ICC; unless the 15 meter/20 km/h rule is relevant.

 

[Stork_III]

Can you provide the background on that please?

I've had a good look around on the ANWB watersport website and can find no mention of it.
Additionally even if the rules change to follow CEVNI, then it doesn't mean that you need an CEVNI endorsed ICC; unless the 15 meter/20 km/h rule is relevant.

I have contacted the Netherlands Transport and Water Management Inspectorate (Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat) and today received their confirmation that the rules for requiring a Sailing License in Dutch Inland waters have not and will not change in the near future. No License is required for craft under 15m length or slower than 20kts. So no ICC, with or without CEVNI endorsement, is required