ICC WHY?

[squidge]

Ive just been told by the RYA that i do not need my ICC for inland waterways in Holland and as my boat is below a the length restriction and will not do more that 11 kn (bloody cheek i had nearly 13kn OTG in a 7 last season!) i do not need ANY qualifications what so ever.If correct what was the point of spending the time and money doing them.
By the way , still need the Dutch book which i cannot read , have no use for except to show that i have one.
Whine over.Any thoughts?

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[DanTribe]

You don't actually need an ICC for Holland and in 6 years visiting I have never been asked to produce one, but my view is that you may get a visit from a "jobsworth" and it's easier to show documents than argue that you dont have to.

Regarding the Wateralmanaak 1, I regard it as a small donation to the Dutch state for all the free use of the locks,bridges and waterways that you get. Last year I was the only occupant of the Philipsdam lock but they still operated it just for me, bit embarassing, but excellent value! Anyway the Dutch have to carry it so it's only fair that we should. If you buy it in Holland [from any chandlery] it's much cheaper.
Incidentally the volume 2 is worth having also as it has lock & bridge info and although it's in Dutch, it is reasonably understandable with a phrase book.
In any case it will give you a bit of practice in Dutch.
Have a great time.



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[vyv_cox]

You will save the cost of the Wateralmanaak ten times over in berthing fees.

It's worth looking at the RYA website, FAQs if I remember correctly, for the various countries' interpretations of ICC. Holland have taken the fairly pragmatic view that enforcing it on the thousands of small boats in inland Holland is almost impossible, although they are generally a law abiding and bureaucracy-loving people. Other countries, such as France and Spain, apply ICC strictly.

In 7 years over here, sailing almost every weekend and holiday, I have never been asked for any documents. I have been fined for going under a bridge on the port side, though. The rules for bridges are shown graphically in Wateralmanaak 1 and it doesn't take long to understand them. Wateralmanaak 2 is worth buying, as said above. Brian Navin took some of his info from that source for his pilot but much data changes every year. Some was never correct. There's nothing more frustrating than waiting at a bridge that you expect to open when it is closed until next day.

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[ccscott49]

Spain, ICC? They've never heard of one and they've certainly never asked me for one, with fairly frequent visits from Guardia, in the ballearics or mainland Spain. I've never heard of anybody else being asked for one.

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[kingfisher]

Wateralmanac I not obligatory

What is actualy obliged is that you carry a recent copy of the applicable regulations, BPR (Binnevaartpolitiereglement), RPR (Rijnvaartpolitiereglement),...

I'm just waiting for someone to put these on the internet, so I can make a print out.

Allthough that would probably be more expensive than buying the Wateralmanak, which costs all of 16,50€ (which, by the way the sterling is going, will be 214£ in a couple of months

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[squidge]

Thanks to all for the input ,I will now buy my book without malice and look forward to translating it with the aid of a phrase book ,made all the happier by your words of wisdom .
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[vyv_cox]

My memory was slightly awry with this. RYA advises that the ICC is useful in Spain, where officials expect all boat owners to have permits/documents. But ICC is not compulsory in Spain. <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.rya.org.uk/Cruising/faqs.asp?contentID=117152>http://www.rya.org.uk/Cruising/faqs.asp?contentID=117152</A>

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[duncan]

Spain - I have been asked for it (Marina Club Nautic would not launch you or provide a berth without it in Ampuriabrava a few years ago) and you have now heard of someone asked for it......./forums/images/icons/smile.gif
Same place the guardia were checking boats for lifejackets and would not allow them out of the harbour without 1 per person - focus on small boats.

All the above may have been a reaction to some local issue and subsequently relaxed but that would actually be a shame.

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[Forbsie]

I think you'll find that they meant to ask you for it, but once you'd plied them with your Malt of the Day, they totally forgot why they were on board in the first place. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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