ICC what's it for?

[mogmog2]

I've tried searching on here for ICC but the search hasn't come up with anything so far.

I have read, on more than one occasion, the RYA stuff on the ICC.
And still don't really get it:
It seems like a typical Euro lash-up - it started off for one purpose and has grown to a thing for which purpose it is not fit. Countries have or haven't fully or partially adopted Resolution 40, may or may not accept the ICC. Some countries which didn't adopt R40 accept the ICC, you can effectively buy it on the Med by turning up for a "course" etc etc. Seems it's just us Brits who follow the rules have to take a multi-hundred pound course for a piece of paper that may or may not be accepted by the authorities...
(Quote RYA)The fact that you are eligible to receive a UK ICC issued by the RYA does not mean that it will be acceptable to the Flag State of the boat you own, use or hire and it does not mean that it will be accepted as evidence of competence in the country in which you plan to go boating.

If I sail my own boat across to Fecamp or Cherbourg for example, do I actually need it? Does one get checked? If found not to have it what are the sanctions? Are there insurance implications?
Many thanks

 

[RichardS]

I've tried searching on here for ICC but the search hasn't come up with anything so far.

I have read, on more than one occasion, the RYA stuff on the ICC.
And still don't really get it:
It seems like a typical Euro lash-up - it started off for one purpose and has grown to a thing for which purpose it is not fit. Countries have or haven't fully or partially adopted Resolution 40, may or may not accept the ICC. Some countries which didn't adopt R40 accept the ICC, you can effectively buy it on the Med by turning up for a "course" etc etc. Seems it's just us Brits who follow the rules have to take a multi-hundred pound course for a piece of paper that may or may not be accepted by the authorities...
(Quote RYA)The fact that you are eligible to receive a UK ICC issued by the RYA does not mean that it will be acceptable to the Flag State of the boat you own, use or hire and it does not mean that it will be accepted as evidence of competence in the country in which you plan to go boating.

If I sail my own boat across to Fecamp or Cherbourg for example, do I actually need it? Does one get checked? If found not to have it what are the sanctions? Are there insurance implications?
Many thanks

That's strange as there are as many threads on YBW for ICC as there are for anchoring .... well, almost anyway.

Try "ICC qualification"

Richard

 

[GHA]

I've tried searching on here for ICC but the search hasn't come up with anything so far.

Loads already, whatever opinion you prefer you'll find it here

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:www.ybw.com+icc

 

[CLB]

If I sail my own boat across to Fecamp or Cherbourg for example, do I actually need it? Does one get checked? If found not to have it what are the sanctions? Are there insurance implications?
Many thanks

In your example:
No
No
None
No

 

[Tranona]

I've tried searching on here for ICC but the search hasn't come up with anything so far.

I have read, on more than one occasion, the RYA stuff on the ICC.
And still don't really get it:
It seems like a typical Euro lash-up - it started off for one purpose and has grown to a thing for which purpose it is not fit. Countries have or haven't fully or partially adopted Resolution 40, may or may not accept the ICC. Some countries which didn't adopt R40 accept the ICC, you can effectively buy it on the Med by turning up for a "course" etc etc. Seems it's just us Brits who follow the rules have to take a multi-hundred pound course for a piece of paper that may or may not be accepted by the authorities...
(Quote RYA)The fact that you are eligible to receive a UK ICC issued by the RYA does not mean that it will be acceptable to the Flag State of the boat you own, use or hire and it does not mean that it will be accepted as evidence of competence in the country in which you plan to go boating.

If I sail my own boat across to Fecamp or Cherbourg for example, do I actually need it? Does one get checked? If found not to have it what are the sanctions? Are there insurance implications?
Many thanks

Nothing to do with "euro", however you define it.

Just read the RYA information in its entirety and that will tell you everything you need to know.

The misconceptions in your post are figments of your imagination and at odds with reality. Your search skills are not that good either as it is probably the most frequent subject after anchors!

 

[Hoolie]

... ... probably the most frequent subject after anchors!

As Richard pointed out ... ...

I have my ICC but, as yet, I have never had to use it even through the inland waterways of France.

A bit like my driving licence. The last time it was looked at was about 7 years ago in Australia ... ...

 

[Pords]

Mines just expired, don't think i will bother renewing as no one has ever asked to see it. been across the channel numerous times and the only thing I've been asked for is ships registration and passport.

 

[nickf]

Mogmog2
Quote "It seems like a typical Euro lash-up"
It's a UN scheme nothing to do with "Euro".

 

[Spyro]

ICC is a qualification that will allow you to charter in some countries if you don't have rya day skipper qualification.

 

[[70521]]

I've tried searching on here for ICC but the search hasn't come up with anything so far.

The search function on the the forums are rubbish.

IF you are a member of the RYA AND hold a Day Skipper or above the ICC is free. One day while sailing in foreign waters you might get asked for it, especially with all the shenanigans that is going on with our friends over the water. I've collected mine just incase I am stopped, might need a Yellow Q flag as well.

 

[LadyInBed]

Some people feel happier if they have one but the bottom line - You don't need an icc to sail to most if not all European countries.
I don't have one currently, I had one in 95, a requirement to use the French canals, but never renewed it.

 

[macd]

The search function on the the forums are rubbish.

Indeed. But it's particularly useless when three-letter search terms are used, since it doesn't recognise them. So it's blind to ICC,
RYA and even PBO. I seem to remember a specific advisory to this effect, but it seems to have disappeared.

Obviously this rule only applies to Brits. The rest of Europe can search with any length of word.

Mogmog: if you want to try again, use Google search, including "ybw.com" in your search terms.

 

[BrianH]

Some people feel happier if they have one but the bottom line - You don't need an icc to sail to most if not all European countries.
I don't have one currently, I had one in 95, a requirement to use the French canals, but never renewed it.

You will need some sort of 'certificate of competence' to clear into Croatia (a European country) and the ICC is up there in their list of acceptable ones.

Even if you UK boaters don't get that far, it has become popular as a charter area choice and all charter agents will require one for the skipper before accepting the reservation. Plus someone in the crew will need to furnish a VHF SRC. I believe Greece goes in the same direction.

 

[Momac]

I don't understand why people say they don't need the ICC because they have never been asked to show it to the authorities.
I have not had to show my car driving license to the authorities for 40 years - but that doesnt mean I should not hold a license.
In the event of an accident the absence of the ICC could become a reason for insurers to escape liability in the same way that driving a vehicle without a valid license would mean your insurance would be invalidated..

 

[Biggles Wader]

Crosby Stills Nash and Young did a whole album about this
Deja Vu
And a very good album it was too.

 

[Daydream believer]

Mine did not " cost £100's" it just involved a simple test one afternoon & quick sail in & out of Bradwell.
I have had it inspected in France a number of times, but i seem to be a magnet for customs officers when other boats have been ignored !!
Last year 3 officers were aboard in Boulogne for 1 hour 5 mins & then left without visiting the 5 or 6 other British boats in the marina. So I would make sure I always had it.

 

[Terra-Loon]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:http://www.ybw.com/forums&cad=h Put your search term at the end of the string.

 

[CLB]

I don't understand why people say they don't need the ICC because they have never been asked to show it to the authorities.
I have not had to show my car driving license to the authorities for 40 years - but that doesnt mean I should not hold a license.
In the event of an accident the absence of the ICC could become a reason for insurers to escape liability in the same way that driving a vehicle without a valid license would mean your insurance would be invalidated..

Poor analogy. A driving licence is required by law. An ICC is not. You do not currently need an ICC to cross the Channel to France. There is no law in place that requires it

The insurance part of your statement is only valid if you told your insurers that you had certain qualifications that it later turned out you didn't. Insurance companies do not require skippers to have an ICC. They may offer a lower quote if you have one, although I have found only a YM really has this effect.

Mine did not " cost £100's" it just involved a simple test one afternoon & quick sail in & out of Bradwell.
I have had it inspected in France a number of times, but i seem to be a magnet for customs officers when other boats have been ignored !!
Last year 3 officers were aboard in Boulogne for 1 hour 5 mins & then left without visiting the 5 or 6 other British boats in the marina. So I would make sure I always had it.

If you are stopped by dwayne and his mates you tend to show them whatever you have. If you have an ICC and offer it, I am sure they will look at it. I have been stopped in France numerous times, both at sea and in port. Passports and ships papers eg SSR or part 1 were what they wanted. Never a request for any skipper certification and never offered to show them what I have.

I do actually have one, but that is because I go inland in France, Belgium and holland and I am required to have a cevni. This is attached to the ICC so to go inland yes, you do have to have one, and I have been asked to show it once in Holland.

 

[Tranona]

In the event of an accident the absence of the ICC could become a reason for insurers to escape liability in the same way that driving a vehicle without a valid license would mean your insurance would be invalidated..

Insurers would not be able to escape liability unless it was a specific term of the policy. This would be unusual, at least as far as UK insurers are concerned. They may well have a qualification requirement for certain types of insurance, but it would not be at the basic ICC level.

Of more concern is that some states (Greece for example) give extensive powers to officials to detain boats and prosecute skippers as a consequence of an accident. Lack of any evidence of competence could then be a problem. So similar to your driving licence analogy, its value is only relevant in its absence.

 

[CLB]

The thread has gone off track a little from the op's across the channel scenario.

But to answer the actual thread title. It is needed if you go inland, with a CEVNI endorsement, and some European countries do seem to require it, although they are not the ones a UK based boat would encounter. Greece, Croatia and Portugal spring to mind. They are also useful if you charter, as proof of your competence.