ICC no longer shows length?

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We've just renewed our ICC's through the RYA.

The last ICCs we had clearly stated that the bearer is certified up to 24m.

No length now on the ICC certificate. Can I take it as given that I am still covered up to 24m? Will a third party looking at this ICC understand the same?

Anyone know anything more about the new ICCs?
 
An extract from the RYA website under 'About the ICC' states:

Note: where proof of competence is required under the Merchant Shipping Regulations i.e. UK pleasure vessels exceeding both 80 GT and 24m (load line) length (see Merchant Shipping Notice (MSN) 1802) and for any vessel which is used for commercial purposes, the ICC is insufficient and it must be supported by the requisite certificate of competence.

Piers
 
Thanks Piers.

The other reason for my question is that I had heard that the RYA were only gibing PB2 out for unto 10M so I wondered if this has fed through to the ICC.
 
scottie said:
Just received ICC today dated 7/9/12.

Power (up to 12mtr)
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wakeup said:
Mine is 4/9/12 no mention of length.
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Wakeup, like you I've just had mine renewed, and although previously it said 'power up to 10m: yes' and 'power up to 24m or 80gt: yes', now it just says 'power: yes'. But from Scottie's reply above, maybe they've changed things to introduce some new 12m category?

Cheers
Jimmy
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Wakeup, like you I've just had mine renewed, and although previously it said 'power up to 10m: yes' and 'power up to 24m or 80gt: yes', now it just says 'power: yes'. But from Scottie's reply above, maybe they've changed things to introduce some new 12m category?

Cheers
Jimmy
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It isn't clear is it. I will ping the RYA as Tranona has suggested, but my question was more along the lines of what other parties might expect the ICC to say. For instance, if you get pulled by the Douane's whilst in Villefranche, would they expect your ICC to clearly say Power and Length? On my ICC it just say power and no length. If I got pulled would they fine me if I could not demonstrate I was certified for 24m?
 
wakeup said:
It isn't clear is it. I will ping the RYA as Tranona has suggested, but my question was more along the lines of what other parties might expect the ICC to say. For instance, if you get pulled by the Douane's whilst in Villefranche, would they expect your ICC to clearly say Power and Length? On my ICC it just say power and no length. If I got pulled would they fine me if I could not demonstrate I was certified for 24m?
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Hopefully your call to the RYA will get an explanation. As to the consequences, don't think you need concern yourself about getting "fined". Not sure there is any evidence of anybody being fined for having the "wrong" ICC.

Having made that statement, of course, somebody will report the opposite and show me to be ill informed!
 
I renewed mine last year (I think) it says PWB and power up to 10Metres, Power up to 24 metres, sail up to 24 metres. Will have to check it again, but it had changed from power and sail up to 24 metres.
 
wakeup said:
We've just renewed our ICC's through the RYA.
The last ICCs we had clearly stated that the bearer is certified up to 24m.
No length now on the ICC certificate. Can I take it as given that I am still covered up to 24m? Will a third party looking at this ICC understand the same?
Anyone know anything more about the new ICCs?
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Mmhh -- I just checked mine and just power as you said, also recently renewed.

Sailing ICC still has 2 years to run so I shall run a shirt up the radar arch ..:D
 
EME said:
Mmhh -- I just checked mine and just power as you said, also recently renewed.

Sailing ICC still has 2 years to run so I shall run a shirt up the radar arch ..:D
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Yep and then you can scream "power gives way to sail" regardless of the size or circumstances of the approaching vessel :)
 
rubberduck said:
We all have PB2 but no ICC. Do we simply apply for it ?
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Whether you need it or not depends on what you want to do.
RYA explain it all on their web pages, but I think its main purpose is/was for demonstrating competence abroad, primarily for inland waterways. So, if you are going up some French rivers, yes. If you are coastal boating, probably not. Certainly I have never been asked for it on French coasts, despite being boarded. They DID want SSR though.
 
gjgm said:
Whether you need it or not depends on what you want to do.
RYA explain it all on their web pages, but I think its main purpose is/was for demonstrating competence abroad, primarily for inland waterways. So, if you are going up some French rivers, yes. If you are coastal boating, probably not. Certainly I have never been asked for it on French coasts, despite being boarded. They DID want SSR though.
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Qualification equivalence (ICC) is required everywhere in France afaik
 
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