ICC, maybe i do maybe i don't

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ICC, maybe i do maybe i don\'t

I plan to do a weeks charter in the med somewhere summer 2007, but I'm unsure what qualifications i need to charter a sailing boat. Reading other threads it would seem i need to take the ICC one day course. I'm a boat owner and have done my RYA dayskipper and Yachtmaster theory, VHF radio.
So do i need the ICC and if so where can i do this course, I'm based in the north east of England
 
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If you are a RYA member, then all you need is the application form from RYA, and it will be issued for free on seeing a copy of the dayskipper certificate,

If not a member, it will cost you about as much as annual membership!
 
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That's the one, but it is a 5 days course. If you need an ICC contact any RYA Training Centre (the ones with the RYA Tick logo) and they will arrange the necessary one day ICC course and assessment if you don't have the Day Skipper or higher practical course completion certificate.
 
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You don't need a license for a sailing boat in France - except where it is used in inland waterways.

Individual charterers may require something but personally I have never experienced this.

John
 
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As others have said, depends more on the charterer, I've only ever chartered with Sunsail and they were happy with a YM certificate. Why don't you ask whichever charter company you are thinking of using?
 
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thats part of the problem i have not narrowed down the charter destination yet but will be somewhere close to an airport where i can get budget flights from Newcastle, Teeside so maybe Palma, Mahon in Spain, but it is all pie in the sky at the moment. But if I take the ICC day course I presume that will allow me to charter anywhere.
SO i need an ICC Maybe /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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This has been discussed on the forum before and one thing which became clear in a response from the RYA is that an ICC issued in the UK is only legally relevant to the the holder when he or she is skipper of a UK flagged yacht (I KNOW this sounds insane but it's TRUE). Thus, med charter companies might want to see evidence that you are competent, and it is generally accepted in my experience that an ICC demonstrates that to their satisfaction BUT, if the country in which you are chartering requires some form of legal certificate/licence then your ICC is only a legal document when skippering a UK flagged yacht. All of the charter companies are aware of the legal situation in the countries in which they operate.
 
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Its all got fantastically complex this - I Charter in Spain and Italy every year - they ask for ICC. If you also offer RYA (whatever ranking) they don't want it, not interested. Only ICC.
 
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http://www.rya.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/C83802A2-2031-4FB3-B56F-BDF0F25138FA/0/ICCForm.pdf
This states that i need to hold the dayskipper/yachtmaster practical certificate.

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My fault, reading your original post too quickly, so Dayskipper, and skipped over the fact that it is only a theory not a practical.

Of course you could always take the practical instead of the ICC /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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well put.

the yacht charter firms, in the same way as for example Blue Line motor cruisers on the inlad french waters, have local agreements as to how they will assess competence and deliver training. This is then their responsibility as they deem you competent when you leave with the vessel.......... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Some choose to accept formal qualifications at face value, some will always go through an orientation with the odd question thrown in to guage competence and all stages in between. As such you are not using your ICC (or whatever) as a legal ticket; as you have expalined you can't in most cases. It is however indicative to the charter company.
 
Re: ICC - the \'Gin and Tonic\' certificate.....

This is my understanding of the ICC, and the source of that....

Many years ago, in the 'Time of the Two Good Robins', I served on the RYA Cruising Committee. Someone on't Council ( doffing cap, knuckling forehead! ) had been to a good lunch - oops, sorry, Important Meeting - and had been told about this ICC thingy. Always on the lookout for another good little earner, he brought back the info to RYA House at Eastleigh.

It seems that the IMO ( International Maritime Organisation ) had agreed that this ICC was a good wheeze when no-one was paying much attention, and adopted it. As the IMO is a body taking its purpose and existence from the United Nations, the ICC came under the same over-arching wing - and some UN admin body in Switzerland has final responsibility for the darn thing. So the format of the certificate and the competencies it attests, is the only one that has broad international agreement. As a result, when an official somewhere is faced with a foreign recreational yachtsman who doesn't hold that official's country's own local certificate, he has only one example to ask for - the IMO-approved ICC. It's in his book.....

Now, the IMO is an august outfit. So also is the MCA. Both orgs are full of important Extra Master Mariners and Fleet Superintendents. Neither mob wants to be bothered administering the thing here....

Enter the RYA. They'd just lost the contract for running the Small Ships Register to the DVLA, and wanted a replacement source of income...... "Please, sir. We'll do it, sir!"

Now, I'm not aware of any other country having a scheme to persuade their yachtsmen that an ICC is necessary for traveling about. But then, not many other countries have an RYA. And not many other countries would get away with asking their people to fork out the Euro-equivalent of £38 every 5 years for a bit of cardboard that no-one seems to need, want or understand.

Now, £38 is the current cost of a brand-new UK vehicle driving licence ( DVLA website ) - a statutory requirement. That lasts - inshallah - until age 70. Renewal, should it be needed, is free. Not so with the RYA's little income stream ICC - that lasts only 5 years, then it expires. It costs another £38 to revamp it. Each and every 5 years..... I heard it said - "If they're daft enough to pay out good money for this, we're daft enough to take it."

It used to be that Flag Officers of Affiliated Clubs signed you up for this thing. The going rate was 'A gin and tonic, please, Fred!". Then the sea schools owners thought, at a RYA Principals' Conference, that they, too, should have a slice. Now we have a small cottage industry examining peeps for this.

Oh, yes, I've been called cynical before..... As one might imagine, I asked all the wrong questions at meetings of t'Committee. Not a 'safe pair of hands'.......



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Last time I looked at the "Sunsail" Site all they asked was your experience and area of normal sailing. They stated in print " we do not ask for qualifications". They charter all over the med, I was looking at Greece.
 
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Just found this on www.sunsail.com

What experience do I need?
The good news is, you don't need any formal certification. Just experience sailing on a similar sized boat, within about 5-7 feet, will be suitable. Based on the type of sailing conditions you're used to (i.e. body of water, tidal vs. non-tidal, long or short distances, etc.), we'll help you pick the best destination for you.
 
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yep, quite so, no qualifications needed for sunsail, but more a "sailing story" about what you have done etc. I *think* this is because they are brit reg boats - hence no actual sailing quailifation needed. Different stroy renting non-uk-reg boats

Otherwise i think one should be reasonably confident about taking the boat out and as the origial poster is boat owner i think that would be fine.

If short handed and fine about your own abilites and les so about others in crew, praps specify and autopilot so you can leave the helm from time to time to sort othr things the the erm oh, what's the name, flappy things, sails, that's it.
 
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