I might get into trouble for this

[mhatherall]

Hello all, First of all can I just say I have been on this forum now for only a few days, but most people have made me more then welcome, a special thanks to Simon "Its_Only_Money" who made a effort to come and view the boat with me, think I have made a friend there.
However as a "NewBie" I think I can comment on how some people make new people out to be stupid, and childish and unsensible, and dreamy, Read the post about my question to toe and a reply from Hib, I really dont think comments like that are any good, and seems that they are made just to make people look stupid.

Remember it is the foolish person who does not ask questions, the people who ask and ask and ask are the people that you really dont need to worry about.
I just wanted to let you all know how put off by asking more questions that hib has made me feel.

 

[BrendanS]

Keep asking away, we are here to help. You might get conflicting advice sometimes, but that is based on different experiences, but on the whole, well meant. hlb is not very new user friendly.

 

[mhatherall]

Thanks BrendanS, I just really get angry when people make other people out to be stupid, its degrading.
But I do as said appreciate other people comments.

 

[andyball]

glad you got loads of help - I didn't take any comments as they obv seemed to you.... it's just like a boozer really I think; some may seem short, but still knowledgeable.

 

[BrendanS]

Just one thought. It's not exactly in your area, but we've started a regular forum meet in Wilts, just off J17 of M4, which is a bit of a trek for you. However, at meets like this, you can spend several hours asking questions and getting feedback from people with all levels of experience.

Far quicker learning than on forum, and you are welcome to come along to any of them. Have a look in virtual pub forum, and keep a look out for next meet.

 

[mhatherall]

Thanks that soundS like something that would be worth a trip up, and yes I would love to get some more advice and get to meet some of you,.
Hay Perhaps I could cruise my boat up ? (JOKING)

 

[contessa26]

Hi,
I agree with what I think you are trying to say about the subject of 'questions'!
Anyway, don't worry about that!
Was it Confusious (sic) - or someone - who may have said something like: "He who asks questions feels only a fool for a short time. He who doesn't ask questions is a fool for all time..." Or something.
Asking questions on the forum is usually a thankless task!
Anyway - Happy Sailing. (That's all you can hope for!). (Or Happy towing). And glad to hear you've got some assistance from some kindly folk. As a famous yacht designer said: "The most important thing about boating, is the people you go boating with - or not, if you sail single-handed." Or as someone on here recently quoted Conrad: "It's not the ships, it's the men that's in them."
All the best.

 

[BrendanS]

We are still trying to understand your level of knowledge. You have mentioned elsewhere having RYA qualifications, but that doesn't equate to actual knowledge of long distance trips in small boats.

It's fairly easy to get RYA qualifications, but even with my knowledge of rough water and relatively long distance trips, and having RYA qualifications, I'd be wary of doing a trip from Cardiff to Swansea, which you are asking about on Bristol Channel forum. That's not a trip to do without understanding the issues, and the questions you are asking suggest that trip is something you should delay until you have far more experience.

I have a great deal of knowledge of doing trips in small boats, and can describe to others how to do them. However. Despite having being born near Swansea, and spent years living on Bristol Channel, it's not an area I've explored in small boats. So, if plonked into Cardiff with my own 21' boat, I'd not be doing trips to Swansea until I really knew the waters, and had time to build up experience of the area.

 

[hlb]

I dont intend, for one minute that you are stupid, little informed, maybe, nothing against newbies at all. Just giving you cool hard facts. Maybe a bit blunt, how many words do you want me to use here. Towing a 2.5 ton boat is nearly death defying with a normal car. JUst like other folk said, maybe I said it different, but still the same. YOU REALY NEED a three ton truck. Sorry, i pressed the wrong button.

You asked. I gave you good advise, right vehicle and loads of experience. I aint got a F clue what your experience is.

Most folk round here will know, who's been about a bit, who's done a few sea miles and who's done a bit of towing as well. My comments were not ment to make you stupid. Just that fools rush in where angels fear to tread. ( It's a song) But true.

You will not know about it till that trailer is pushing you, ziggzagging out of control. Pushing the car round. A bit unnervingly. You want me to jump out of the sky then, to answer your questions. I'm not doctor who.

Just realise where you are now from where you came in. You started off with a boat, maybe good enough for a boating lake. You now have one , maybe good enough for, uum maybe, but not much sence. It's not going to take you to Cornwall, with any reliability.

 

[BrendanS]

21' boat with 4 wheel braked trailer is easily towable by most decent 4x4's.

His boat will easily go around UK all way round with some experience.

 

[hlb]

Yep, but as you say, needs 4 wheel braked trailer. Behind decent 4x4 Plus experience. Can I buy experience from Tesco???

 

[BrendanS]

I bought my experience by doing it, are you saying he's incapable of learning?

He's asking for advice, and so far taking it. And taking it well!

He's asked for advice on boat and received. He's asked for advice on towing car and recieved. He's asked for advice on voyages, and received.

All very good traits in someone that is new to the forum, and is trying to learn. And trying to learn the good and bad about boating.


What exactly is your issue? Have you read all the advice he's been given on all the forums other than this one. There is a very small chance he's trolling, but despite that, it's worth the chance that many more will be reading and learning.

What Tesco has to do with it, I don't know.

 

[rubberduck]

Perhaps waitrose have a better quality experience. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
For what its worth I can't see the man doing anything more daft than I have done.
When I first talked about getting a boat an employee & experienced boater tried his best to put me off cos I knew nothing about boats, but though I still know very little, I now know more than him as a result of training etc, which he never did.

 

[BrendanS]

some people learn, some don't

Asking questions is something to be encouraged.

 

[rubberduck]

Couldn't sleep ?
Totally agree though. The more you ask the more you know & there is no better way to learn than practice, all be it very carefully at first. Always be on the safe side, & have fun while you learn. When I know everything about boating I will give up & sell RD. Guess I don't have to worry about re-sale values for a while then. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[Kawasaki]

Yoh! mahatherall,
A belated welcome, by the way.
The more newbies on here the better.
Newbie? sorry about that 100 ish posts already!
Good on yer for sharing Your Boaty/traily stuff.

Your Fairline is a great vessel to get started.
Never owned one but Me best mate had one some Years ago.
We went everywhere in it (based in the Menai Straits She was) bit Tidal like the Bristol channel.
Did the Isle of Man in Her, and all around Anglesey.

To "Top up" your RYA stuff, suggest a Day Skipper course?
Combined with Your previous tuition , plus now You have a boat to put stuff into practice, that will boad You well.
Towing and launching, a decent Jeep will be better than the Mondeo.

Bit biased about Jeeps.
I mean "Jeeps" not other makes.
Peeps call all sorts of four wheel drive thinghys "Jeeps"
Just like We call vacuum cleaners "Hoovers".

Worked for Jeep for some Years, see, that's why I am biased!
Yep ,a 4X4 will be better than an "ordinary" car for launching and retrieving no question about that.
If You can manage without so be it.

The "Which car 4x4 " etc debate has been done to death on here previously.
Do a "Search" for that answer.

Don't get too wound up about the likes of hlb etc "having a Go".
It's all good stuff and what makes the Forum click.

Watch out for BrendanS though.
He gave Me a "Broadside" recentley!
When you have time, order a Forum burgee (little flag thinghy) be nice to fly on Your Fairline.
There is a huge depth of knowledge to be found on here.
Plus some garbage.
"Garbage"?, If there was a Member who should be in charge of "Garbage" some would say I would be the Man no doubt! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[BrendanS]

Safe practise at first, more adventurous later. We all learn in steps.

 

[BrendanS]

Broadside? I only remember gentle nudges at most

 

[Kawasaki]

Christ!
If that was a "Gentle Nudge" I fear a Broadside! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[BrendanS]

Possibly that is what forum reputations are made on?

I'll nudge, and people will crap?

Then make foreboding innuendos about broadsides? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Tcm does that very effectively