Hustler 30 vs Westerly Longbow

[tgalea]

Hi All,

Presently considering either a Hustler 30 or Westerly Longbow as our next boat.

I did recieve a lot of info from this forum regarfding the Westerly but still have no feedback regarding Hustler 30's.

Any information regarding this model would be appreciated. Anyone who actually experience both and can compare the Westerly to the Hustler would do me a great favour !

Thanks to all.
Regards
Tyrone Galea

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[Robin]

The Hustler 30 is a very pretty boat and a very sweet sailer IMO, but some were owner completed so check carefully. The Westerly is also a very good boat, very solidly built, bigger engine and probably 30% bigger down below than the Hustler. The Hustler will sail better in lighter winds and upwind, but after a Snapdragon both will seem excellent under sail. The Westerly may lose out on sailing performance in lighter winds and pointing ability but it will be much less obvious on a typical passsage when the longer waterline of the Westerly may come into play.

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[Aeolus_IV]

Had a look round one of these earlier this year (late last year?) with a friend who was thinking of buy one. These are (if I remember rightly) a Holeman design from the 60's. They are relatively narrow in the beam by todays standards and weightly too - however this should give them a kindly motion under way, albeit rather wet as it get windier. I'd expect it to sail to windward rather well, but be a little "rolly" down wind. In terms of interior space - it was small, again by todays standards, but pretty much in line with other yachts of its day (say a trintella 29 I know). In terms of fitting out - I had heard similar comments to that already offered - certainly the one I saw was ... tired .. and needed many hours of TLC to return her to the state she deserved to be in. One of the oddities of the Hustler 30 is her "offset" propeller - its on the port side of the rudder skeg - this will give her handling somewhere between a full long keel boat and a "normal" fin and skeg hull. I wouldn't panic too much about this, Aeolus is the same, and there are advantages - removing the prop and shaft is much easier. You do get the hang of it.

Regards, Jeff.

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[Ohdrat]

Why not PM Clive_Rigden who mostly posts on Scuttlebutt.. he owns a Hustler 30

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[sailorman]

Hustler 30 designed by HOLMAN & PYE of West Mersea .Essex
if you want to go sailing go for the Hustler, pretty boat sails very well especially to w/ward. some were home built others by Landamore of Wroxham accomodation is limited by todays standards. there one or two in Foxs yacht sales @ the moment ( Ipswich) check their web-site.
as for the comment on the off-set shaft. @ least you can remove prop shaft without remving the engine or rudder, easy cutlass bearing replacement


if you want more comfort / room & not go sailing i dare not say here !!.

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[Aeolus_IV]

Holman & Pye

Holman & Pye - should have known that and got the spelling right. My apologies to those that may have been upset.

Jeff.

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[sailorman]

Re: Holman & Pye

OOOOOOOOH yes u should have known as u have a Kim & Don designed boat as I have also

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[jerryat]

Hi tgalea,

I owned a Hustler 30 for 5 years and sailed thousands of miles in her. She was one of the best balanced boats I've ever sailed, very sea-kindly and an absolute delight. I agree that by todays standards she would be considered cramped and that some of the home finished ones were a little 'indifferent', but the hull mouldings were massive compared to those today and in my view this, together with the excellent performance, makes her the winner over the Westerly. After all, most boats of that sort of age are going to need at least a cosmetic refit, and you can take opportunity to customise the chosen boat to your own taste.

However, as has been stated, the Westerly definitely has the advantage with regard to volume - I just don't think it remotely compares for looks though! I should have a good lengthy sail in both and try and decide then.

Cheers

Jerry



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[tgalea]

Thanks to all for your very informative replies.

Yes the westerly has definitely more living space but the particular one we are looking at does seem a bit tired and people around the yard did mention she was at time treated for osmosis.

The Hustler on the other hand belongs to a very dedicated careful owner and looks like she is in very good condition.

The only thing that worries me is her 20 year old 10 hp volvo. MD1B i believe the owner said.

What do you people think about this engine ?

As usual.. thanks to all..

Tyrone Galea

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[paulrossall]

Budget on a new engine costing around £5,000. I would replace with a 20hp.Paul

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[Aeolus_IV]

Re: Holman & Pye

Yes, knew that (of course), just wasn't sure if they were both involved in the Hustler 30 - but was sure that Kim was. The Hustler is a pretty boat - it looks like a smaller version of mine! Call me old fashioned (you know you want to), but I find many of the yachts from that era pretty in a way that I don't find with more modern ones /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Regards,
Jeff.

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[Aeolus_IV]

Had an ailing MD2B in Aeolus when first bought - it didn't last the first year. It had obviously been on last legs for some time. Having said this, there are many on the forum with either the MD1B or 2B still going strong and giving no indications of stopping yet. Parts are now a real problem if something does go wrong, so, in my humble opinion, you should be budgetting to replace it at some stage as suggested. The good news is that a new engine will be lighter, smaller and more powerfull than the original. £5K sounds like the right ball park estimate from my experience.

IMHO,
Jeff.

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[sailorman]

Re: Holman & Pye

Hi Aeolus-V
try this pic.
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL510/2720765/5443157/69663066.jpg
im not cleaver enough to post as other "clever dickies" only just managed a fuzzy pic. on Bio

Boat by Don Pye built / launched June 79

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[Clive_Rigden]

Just comer accoross this thread.
I have an Hustler 30 XM and have sent you a private message.

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[johnm1]

Re: Holman & Pye

i have got a hustler 30 1973 the problems i am having are lack of drive
i have got a 16 hp engine but with the offset propshaft the bigest propeller
i can have is a 11 inch which only gives the boat 4 knots flat out in a calm sea
any wind or tide and you go backwards is this the norm?
as a last resort i am considering a saildrive unit
any body got any ideas


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[MedMan]

I owned a Hustler 30 for about 7 years. We used her for family holidays - 2 adults and two young children - though it has to be said it involved a lot of folding up and putting away of bedding every morning.

The Hustler is an old design with a narrow beam and low freeboard. As a consequence she looks pretty and sails well but has very little room on board. I had no problems with the offset prop - you just have to hold the tiller very slightly off centre when under power. When we bought her she had a Volvo MD2 which we replaced with a Volvo MD7B. The extra power was very useful.

If you have any specific questions, send me a PM.

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[Aeolus_IV]

Re: Holman & Pye

My Centurion has a similar engine layout - port side prop, limited to maximum diameter of 15 inches. Since I have a 27hp engine now a propellor this size ought to be too small, but it seem that quality does pay. The folding 15"x12" prop I now have is vastly better in ahead than the fixed 15"x12" it replaced (the new one is a Gori 2 blade folder). The 3 blade version of this is better still (PM Bedouin and ask about this prop), but even more expensive - but I still wished that I had found the extra money I needed at the time.

I see now from PBO and other mags that there is a now a 4 bladed feathering prop available (can't remember name off the top of my head) - this may be the solution to you problem - if they make them small enough.

Fitting a sail drive unit seems like an extra-ordinary amount of effort and cost - the work involved would be extensive to say the least.

Regards, Jeff.

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[Bradj]

Would you describe the Hustler 30 as bluewater, I know it's a safe nicely built boat, but would it stand ocean voyage, would it have the comfort with regard to it's keel shape?
thanks,
Brad

 

[sailorman]

Frank Dye sailed a Wayfarer to all sorts of destinations, so the Hustler ought to be ok

 

[doug748]

Would you describe the Hustler 30 as bluewater, I know it's a safe nicely built boat, but would it stand ocean voyage, would it have the comfort with regard to it's keel shape?
thanks,
Brad

If you are asking MedMan he has not been around since 2009, if Johnm1, he left 14 years ago, most of us are dead.

Start a new thread is my advice.

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