derekh
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Sorry if this question has been asked 1000000 times before but I just wondered as my old tub is now 20 years old.
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how old is classic
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Peterduck
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T'aint so much an age thing in my opinion,as a "suitability for purpose' thing. Generally speaking, older boats becme "classics' because they were built individually from evolved designs, rather than being popped out of a mould like so many jellies. However, to confound that argument, the Contessas have proven themselves over the time since their inception to become "modern classics". Was your "old" [mine is now 86 years old] tub built or popped? Was it built to look flashy at the Boat Show, or to behave well on the water?
Peter.
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Blue_Blazes
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How long is a piece of string? I agree generally with you Peter. Age and build material are not the only criteria in determining classic status.There are a few "Yogurt Pots" that have come to be regarded as classics because of their outstanding design characteristics.
Bill.
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ashanta
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I learn't to sail on gaff rigged cutters at Indefatigable in Menai in the 60''s, Worked in my school holidays for a coach painter who developed his skills from painting horse carriages, haulage vehicles and even Rolls Royces (It's true because I know, I had to clean them out)
I sailed out of Kiel on the Kranik and Flamingo, Bermudan yachts which continue to sail with the tall ships.(65ft)
I own a T31, Guy Thompson design yacht. It was designed, like the contessa 32 to compete in the IOR 1/2 ton racing class. It has a GRP hull but has marine ply decks and a wooden cold moulded coach roof. the reason it has wood above the hull has nothing to do with asthetics or cost. It was a deliberate attempt by the designer to keep the weight down low. These were fast yachts (so was the cuttysark)and have many records of putting Co32's in their place.
I have owned a number of GRP yachts over the years for practical purposes and they have been excellent boats but by their modern design could never be regarded as classics. The Contessa 32 is not a classic boat. It is an excellent design and was incredibly successful but it cannot be a classic by it's success as a racer. If the Co32 is a classic then so is, the T31, She 31, Sadler32 etc etc.
Classic relates not only to the product but also to the craftmanship that built and continually maintains these beautiful boats.
Athough I have the skills to maintain a classic yacht, I do not have the time to do so. Thats why I have GRP hulled yacht.
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I sailed out of Kiel on the Kranik and Flamingo, Bermudan yachts which continue to sail with the tall ships.(65ft)
I own a T31, Guy Thompson design yacht. It was designed, like the contessa 32 to compete in the IOR 1/2 ton racing class. It has a GRP hull but has marine ply decks and a wooden cold moulded coach roof. the reason it has wood above the hull has nothing to do with asthetics or cost. It was a deliberate attempt by the designer to keep the weight down low. These were fast yachts (so was the cuttysark)and have many records of putting Co32's in their place.
I have owned a number of GRP yachts over the years for practical purposes and they have been excellent boats but by their modern design could never be regarded as classics. The Contessa 32 is not a classic boat. It is an excellent design and was incredibly successful but it cannot be a classic by it's success as a racer. If the Co32 is a classic then so is, the T31, She 31, Sadler32 etc etc.
Classic relates not only to the product but also to the craftmanship that built and continually maintains these beautiful boats.
Athough I have the skills to maintain a classic yacht, I do not have the time to do so. Thats why I have GRP hulled yacht.
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Evadne
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Age has nothing to do with it, directly. Some folk use the "classic" tag as a passport to snobbishness, which is why anti-snobs are wary of self-styled classics. If she's been around a while, your boat will have acquired the character that goes with age, and will look different enough from today's AWB (even if she's yesterday's AWB) to stand out from the crowd. If you think she's beautiful, then she is.
As far as this forum is concerned, I've noticed no real prejudice from most folk against so-called modern classics, although obviously the talk does tend to centre around old wooden boats. Us modern upstarts (mine's only 40 years old) don't have as many problems to talk about as the oldies, but I still enjoy reading about them.
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As far as this forum is concerned, I've noticed no real prejudice from most folk against so-called modern classics, although obviously the talk does tend to centre around old wooden boats. Us modern upstarts (mine's only 40 years old) don't have as many problems to talk about as the oldies, but I still enjoy reading about them.
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jzaat
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How GRP is classic
I sort of raised the same question on SB it seems.. so:
What's the chance that GRP boats will reach classic status?
Not that I'm desperate to rub shoulders with the high and mighty but would be nice to partoicipate in the occasional gathering
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I sort of raised the same question on SB it seems.. so:
What's the chance that GRP boats will reach classic status?
Not that I'm desperate to rub shoulders with the high and mighty but would be nice to partoicipate in the occasional gathering
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robind
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Re: How GRP is classic
Hi I have a Princess 41 of 78 vintage I regard her as a clasic. She has nice lines is extremely sea worthy and still in great condition after all this time. I love her to bits even if she is a stink pot.
Rob
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Hi I have a Princess 41 of 78 vintage I regard her as a clasic. She has nice lines is extremely sea worthy and still in great condition after all this time. I love her to bits even if she is a stink pot.
Rob
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milltech
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Re: How GRP is classic
I think they probably have, Nicholson 32 would surely be a contender and I am by no means a sailor.
It must be about style not construction. Some have it straight off the slip and others will never. I looked at a Fred Parker 45 foot TSDY. I loved her but although claiming Classic status in the Brokers details actually she was old fashioned when launched to a pre-war style that I never heard being called a Classic. Traditional certainly, Dunkerque Little Ship sometimes, but that raised foredeck style couldn't ever be called Classic, not to my eye anyway.
Flush deck Silvers would also be Classics, and the Francis Jones designed Inchcape Motor Sailers would be too for me, especially the 32.
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I think they probably have, Nicholson 32 would surely be a contender and I am by no means a sailor.
It must be about style not construction. Some have it straight off the slip and others will never. I looked at a Fred Parker 45 foot TSDY. I loved her but although claiming Classic status in the Brokers details actually she was old fashioned when launched to a pre-war style that I never heard being called a Classic. Traditional certainly, Dunkerque Little Ship sometimes, but that raised foredeck style couldn't ever be called Classic, not to my eye anyway.
Flush deck Silvers would also be Classics, and the Francis Jones designed Inchcape Motor Sailers would be too for me, especially the 32.
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ongolo
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Re: How GRP is classic
Hi all,
I dont call my 55ft Gaff Schooner a yacht because that sounds "snobbish and stinking rich", I call it my boat or a small ship.
If it goes by the difference of appearance it certainly would be a classic, but I dare not cal it that.
In my mind, the SHEARWATER designed by South African designer Dudley Dix are the most beautiful boats to my eye, and if any modern boat ever to be called a classic, then the SHEARWATER's will have that status. Have a look at the Shearwater and prove me wrong.
I have no other connection to Dudley Dix, but one single phone call to the Gentlemen.
regards ongolo
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Hi all,
I dont call my 55ft Gaff Schooner a yacht because that sounds "snobbish and stinking rich", I call it my boat or a small ship.
If it goes by the difference of appearance it certainly would be a classic, but I dare not cal it that.
In my mind, the SHEARWATER designed by South African designer Dudley Dix are the most beautiful boats to my eye, and if any modern boat ever to be called a classic, then the SHEARWATER's will have that status. Have a look at the Shearwater and prove me wrong.
I have no other connection to Dudley Dix, but one single phone call to the Gentlemen.
regards ongolo
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BrendanS
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Re: How GRP is classic
Shearwater 45
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.dixdesign.com/sh45.htm>click here</A>
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Shearwater 45
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.dixdesign.com/sh45.htm>click here</A>
<hr width=100% size=1> I asked an economist for her phone number....and she gave me an estimate
blabheinn
New Member
Classic or not, I am in the process of buying a T31...where on earth can I find out more information about Guy Thompson & the T31...?
Seems there is a void. Any thoughts on starting an owners association ?
Regards
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Seems there is a void. Any thoughts on starting an owners association ?
Regards
Bla Bheinn...Isle of Tiree /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
jezjez
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My boat is 40 yrs old this year but i don't think i'd call her a classic. She's probably not old enough, but she was one of the first GRP hulls and therefore a bit of a production boat. But she suits me down to the ground. I've been trying to find a wooden "classic" of the same 25 feet that gives the same accomodation but nothing comes near so far. Except on looks, where i've seen some stunners that i can't afford or have little headroom etc...
halcyon
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The old question, Buchanan designed the Diamond class built in wood, he also desined the Halcyon 27, they used the hull from the Ace of Diamonds as a plug for the hull.
But they built the Halcyon in the more modern material call GRP, how do you seperate them?
The best what is a classic that I have heard is,
You are on your boat in the boat yard, if someone walking by stops and says, that a nice boat, you probably have a classic, if he walks by it's probably a AWB.
Brian
But they built the Halcyon in the more modern material call GRP, how do you seperate them?
The best what is a classic that I have heard is,
You are on your boat in the boat yard, if someone walking by stops and says, that a nice boat, you probably have a classic, if he walks by it's probably a AWB.
Brian
