I love my Lister. I wouldn't swap it for any modern engine. like oldgits it's 1982 3200hrs never uses any oil or water between oil changes (42pts every 250hrs). Very reliable, as soon as the starter starts to turn it's running, any temperature. No fancy electronic controls to cause problems, built to last. The first major overhaul is scheduled for 15,000 hours. I don't think many modern engines would reach 15000 hours.
Pair of 1987 TAMD61A's, 3000 hrs (just about...) no oil usage, start within one rotation every time with no need for preheat. Maintenance and usage is key - religously stick to the maintenance schedule and I use the boat on average 3 times per month... Having just said that, surely setting myself up for a big bill next time I turn the keys!
My boats 32 year old Fords with nearly 4000 hours are still very reliable and, except for initial start up, smoke free.
A previous boat with 2.5 BMC (taxi engine) diesels was 33 years old, had 6500 hours on the clock, and and still going strong when sold.
The 18 year old 1.9 peugeot diesel I used for commuting has done 193,000 miles, returns 55 mpg, and still does not need oil between changes.
Regualr oil and filter changes are the secret.
However, I have twice towed in boats with modern diesels that had eletronic control system problems.
Stick with the old diesels with the minimum electronics
Commercial fishing vessels here typically clock up 1,000 - 1,500 hours of usage every year, and many of them will keep going for 8 or 10,000 hours (or longer) quite happily before they need a major overhaul - and then they usually keep going for another 5 or 10k hours.....
These are typically Cummins, John Deere, Caterpillar, Volvo, Perkins, around 200 - 300 hp - but I think that the same should apply to smaller engines?
Feed them clean fuel and air, and change their oil regularly, and they should last a long time.
Our engine (Volvo 2003T) gets maybe 20 hours of use a year (we usually sail everywhere, and the solar panel charges the batteries), and I am sure that relative lack of use is more detrimental than if it was worked hard. Need to use it more....
have to agree about the lister,mind you my bmc is 40 odd years old but has just been rebuilt,
onto the question "how long do model diesel engines last"
i had a montego turbo and an escort turbo diesel,both did over 250,000 miles the only things i changed apart from filters was the cam belts,
cam belts aren\t a subject you hear about much on marine engines but most of the modern ones have them i would look at changing/checking them on a reasonably regular basis,they are not in the best of environments and are prone to failure with no warning,resulting in very hefty bills.
the chain type tend to rattle but almost go on forever.
the modern diesel is lighter ,most are quieter,reliable, as are most of the older engines ,but,where they fall down is they don't like overheating ,being made with ally heads etc they will warp easily ,it could be argued that cast iron heads will crack but over the years i've had far more problems with ally than cast, saying all that. with good maintanance a decent overheat alarm etc there is no reason why they shouldn't last as long as the older engines, would i swap my bmc for a modern one,in terms of "modern" being lighter/smaller yes i would,but i like the strength and simplicity of the older engine.its a fine and valid question to ask but,maybe harder to answer,i guess time will tell
It is quite common for industrial diesel engines to run 8000 hrs/annum e.g. generator sets - they run best on load. Worst thing for diesels is to run on tickover or light load. All need servicing!
Suppose we will never know. Old diesel engines go on for ever, modern engines are, well, err modern. Ask again when they get old. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Our local Greek fishermen use smallish 30 to 80 HP, and they'd agree with you about 5,000 to 10,000 hours. They will also point out that they use their boats all year, so there's no chance of lay-up corrosion, and they really do look after their oil changes and filters.
Most of the engines offer increasing white smoke from 5,000 hours onwards, and the most common failure seems to be bits of piston ring flying around, so once the white smoke starts they get nervous -
More re diesel generators - I crewed on one of the TSYT brigs a few years ago, and she was about 4 years old then. She has 3 Cummins diesel generators (each about 60 kw), and I remember that one of them already had 22,000 hours on it, and it still looked almost new. It had been subjected to all the recommended maintenance procedures, but had not required a re-build as such yet.
I guess this again goes to show that diesels like to work hard under a reasonably constant load.
Reading the constant and persistant bad experiences people have had with new engines laden with electronics , indicate that when looking for your next boat,you make blimming sure that the less "advanced" the engine it is,the better.
So it uses a bit more fuel....................