How come?

[Guest]

As some of you know I have been looking at 40 something footers, and was just wandering how a sportsboat of approx 43/44' can get 2 cabins, galley and dinette into the hull, while a flybridge boat of the same length can only get the two cabins & the galley in the hull?? Where has all the space used up by the dinette on the sportsboat gone on the flybridge boat??

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[SteveE]

Matt,

I have a F33 and a S34's extra space seem to be where the extra helm position is on the F33, I would suspect that is the main culprit?

Steve

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[tripleace]

just sold my sealine 365 (40ft)

7 berths / large saloon / two heads with showers / twin fridges / cockpit seats at least 8 /10 .


reason 13.ft wide and well thought out

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Are you sure you're comparing like with like ie shaftdrive v shaftdrive or is the sportsboat an outdrive boat because that makes a big difference to internal volume? What boats are you comparing?

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[hlb]

Dont know what your looking at. My boat manages. One double bed room. one dinning room one kitchen, lounge with seating for nine, a patio, celler and atic space. All in 35 foot! Oh, forgot about the bathroom.

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[TroyTempest]

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Oh, forgot about the bathroom.

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"Ships Head" is the nautical term I believe Haydn!

But what do I know? I'm new to this spending obscene amounts of money lark!

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[Guest]

Not any boat in particular, but say the S43 or T43 (both shaftdrive) and their relative flybridge counterparts F42/5 & Phantom 43?

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[tcm]

Re: sport/fly

They are not the same layout though. The sportsboat helm stands on top of the aft cabin. Only the sealine (erm 450?) does the same trick with a flybridge. If flybridge, you will have to choose something like az 42 or 46, frexample, but one is too small, tother is too expensie on moorings. How longy yer been looking?



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[Guest]

Re: sport/fly

Have been looking for around 4months. Have looked at a munber of british boats, bit not many euopean/american (are they any good??) even looked at the broom 42, that was quite a good boat for internal/extenal space!

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

I'm not actually sure there is much difference in the bulkhead and engine positioning of the T43 and Phantom 43. The aft cabin in the T43 is laterally aligned and maybe the designers steal some space from the forward cabin for the saloon. On the P43 the second cabin is longtitudinally aligned and maybe the forward cabin is a touch smaller and the heads are larger
With the S43 and the F42/5, the difference is more obvious. I believe that the S43 has V-drives rather than conventional shaftdrives. With V-drives, the gearbox is forward of the engine but the drive shaft to the props goes back underneath the engines. This allows the engines to be sited further aft than with a conventional shaftdrive arrangement which means more accomodation space. Its quite a common design in sports cruisers and you find it in some Sunseekers and Princesses as well
Personally, I dont like the V-drive design for a number of reasons. Firstly, it makes the sternglands very difficult to get to because they're under the engines, secondly V-drive gearboxes have a bit of a reputation for unreliability (that may be just hearsay) and, lastly, and this very subjective, I prefer to see the engines and hence the CoG towards the centre of the boat for better stability
I see you're also considering the Broom 42. This is a lovely boat but just be aware that, unlike the other boats you have mentioned which are all planing hulls, the B42 has a semi displacement hull with a small keel. This means it will be a very easy boat to manouevre at slow speed (Brooms are known for this) but it wont be as fast as the others (maybe 25knots max) and feel a little different at sea, a more comfortable ride into a head sea but maybe a little twitchy in a following sea

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[Guest]

The S43 has v-drives, pardon me, I thought it was conventional! Abouth the B42, thats what the dealer was saying, when we last spoke to him, but he said that they do an offshoure range, with a model of approximatley the same length, but he didn't have one for us to look around, at that present time. On the subject of brooms, one of their biggest rivals would be Atlantic (holland boat) is there anyone with any experience/knowledge of these boats??

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

The equivalent in the Broom offshore range is the 415OS. It has a full planing hull, albeit still with a small keel, and, with the right engines, it should top 30knots. Its not necessarily better than the B42 just different although the hull lay-up is a little heavier. The accomodation layout is very similar
Broom have 2 ranges of boats, the Offshore (OS) range - 345,415,450,50 and the Coastal (CL) range - 35,38,39KL,42. The CL range was introduced as a boat designed for both inland and sea use but, as I understand, they were surprised how well the CL boats performed at sea. So, you see just as many CL boats as OS boats around the coast. Confusing, eh?
The Atlantic boats, as you probably know, have very similar layouts to Brooms. In fact the designer who designs Atlantic hulls (John Bennett) also designs the Broom OS range so the sea performance will be similar. Atlantics are moulded and fitted out in the UK but marketed through a Dutch company, Holland Boat who sell through dealers like Val Wyatt. That gives you some idea why they are a little expensive but the interior fit-out, especially on the larger ones, can be exquisite, much more stylish than Brooms. Having said this, Brooms have an extremely good reputation and tend to hold their value better than virtually anything else around so, if it were my money, I know where it would go

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[miket]

Re: sport/fly

Enter the Broom gang !

Very hard to beat an aft cabin boat for shear accomodation because you are using the whole hull length. No cockpit, except Broom have cleverly given you a cockpit as well. On top of the rear cabin.

Doesn't alter the fact that huge percentage of boats sold are flybridge or Targa style.

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[Guest]

Re: sport/fly

I quite agree, whilst looking at the broom I realised there was alot of space onboard. I know I keep going on about different boats (and thanks for all the info on the brooms/atlantics!) what do you think of aftcabin/flybridge boats, mainly F43, and Pearl 43?? I did like the idea of the T46, but thats a bit too big for me, at the moment!

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