How can I get these jobs done?

Colin24

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I need a few small jobs doing on my 23 foot MAB.
No much boaty experience, 2 seasons with first boat.

It’s a heavy, for it’s size, slow but forgiving old thing. Ideal for me to learn from all my mistakes.
I have made a few minor improvements, new UV strip and valet for the headsail. new main.
new sheets and new batteries and general cleaning up.

I have purchased an Icom fixed VHF. A NASA depth thingy (transducer and display head) to replace the ancient Seafarer unit, which I liked and which worked very reliably, but ran on internal batteries, I’ll keep the Seafarer fitted as a good back up. I’m about to purchase a small chart plotter, Lowrance 3500, to add to my collection of never fitted bits.

I would like to replace all the scrappy wiring as and when these items go in and while we’re at it replace the switch panel too. I’ve had a look behind the little 6 switch electrical panel and it’s a real rats nest.

The electrical plan of the boat is very simple, the batteries, 2 x 110 Ah domestic jobbies are kept charged by shore power when on the pontoon and topped up to a small extent by my feeble but adequate 8 hp Honda outboard. Apart from the items mentioned above there are just the nav lights and a hateful florescent tube in the small cabin.
My Ah consumption is generally very low, lets face it, the sort of sailing that I do, East coast estuary pottering and occasionally poking my head out to sea for a few hours on nice days hardly warrants a chart-plotter. It’s just for the fun of having the toys I want.

I will not be adding anything else, apart from maybe a tiller-pilot to make going below to make a cuppa less fraught.

Also I want two small holes filling and covering (no sniggering at the back!) one is where the sink drain exits through the hull, it’s not got a proper sea-cock, just what looks like a white plastic fitting
And it exits below the water line. There is an appropriately sized wooden bung on permanent stand-by. I’ve never been happy with that arrangement and do not use the unfeasibly tiny sink anyway.

The hole other is right underneath between the bilge keels where a log impeller once lived.
I’d rather have no holes in the hull and use an internally mounted transducer.

I’ll be lifting out for a week or two over the winter for scrapping and antifouling and ideally would like everything above fitted and sorted while she’s out.

I know what your thinking ‘This is a forum for Practical boat owners, buy a few instruction manuals and get your finger out.
Gentlemen, believe me -I know myself and it’s never going to happen.
I’m full of good intent and enthusiasm, but I’m terminally cak- handed .

I have been on the receiving end of loads of good advice from this forum, I’ve down-loaded all the PDF manuals that I’ve been directed to, bought the books and know, in theory how to do all of the above.

What I’m asking for this time is this: Is these such a thing as a jobbing boaty handyperson?
The sort of person you see advertising in the local rags, that’ll do all sorts of small maintenance jobs around the house –but a boaty version OR if such does not exist. Is the above the sort of stuff a proper boat yard would do? It seems very small fry, are there any ‘no job too small’ type places.

I’m hoping for someone to point me in the direction of some one who’ll turn up with a van discuss all of the above and spend a couple of days completing the work.
I’d be happy to pay a competent person the going rate.
The boat is in a marina in Ipswich, but would be in the marina boat yard when the work needs to be done.

Oh , yer, any thoughts on what the above would set me back.

Colin
 
Why do you want to replace the switch panel?

Let me confirm, the current electrics on board are internal light, nav lights?

220 Ah batteries, flippin eck you must only need to charge once a year.

Do you run a radio / TV or have any sockets.. I am just trying to work out why you need a new panel, unless aesthetic of course.

For what you are looking for electric wise there is nothing complicated, for most of it you will just be replacing one for one with new gear. Then sending power to the cockpit to power your instruments.

Have you considered say, a practical night school to learn about wiring. The advantage being, if it goes wrong at sea you will know exactly what is wired to where and how. I hate trying to fault find on someone else's wiring and would hate to try it in an emergency. I do think it worth gaining some rudimentary knowledge of your boats power system.

I know, I read your post, but don't give up to quickly, you never know you might even find a new skill...


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I’ll be lifting out for a week or two over the winter for scrapping and antifouling and ideally would like everything above fitted and sorted while she’s out.

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This is a bad time to consider applying GRP, best wait until late spring to lift out, otherwise the resin will never go off, unless you have the boat in a heated shed.

Don't worry I am not going to try to talk you into glassing under the water line as your first GRP job, that would be silly /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Quote.........."but I am terminally cak handed"

Says in you profile that you are a Technician? I find the idea of a "terminally cak handed" Technician, very worrying!

Techies, in my experience are generally highly skilled Tiffies, so what kind of a techy is you? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Dogwatch

Currently have the nav lights, the old existing VHF, the internal light, and up until recently have been getting by with just 1 x 110 Ah battery.
I have added the other battery in anticipation of acquiring the depth sounder chart plotter and possibly the tiller pilot.
I thought the single battery may struggle once those items where fitted.

I’m not averse to learning about the electrics and take onboard what you say about needing to know in an emergency. I’m very keen to know as much as I can about all the systems on the boat and would enjoy learning about them.

That’s partly why I’m keen to find a boaty odd jobber rather than just hand the boat over to a yard and say do it and bill me. I’d like to be there asking questions and helping and finding out how things are tackled. I know that many of the small jobs that need doing are well within the scope of a mere mortal.

I expect that when I see these things done, I’ll be saying to myself ‘blumin eck, what was all the fuss about –I could have done that’ - least I hope so.

It’s a confidence building exercise as much as anything.
F’instance, you have pointed out something already that I would be getting wrong if left to my own devices – trying to do it when the weather is too cold.

I really would consider it money well spent if while the work was being carried out, I observed and learned a bit.
 
Yes, that is a tad misleading. I’m part of the ‘Technical crew’ onboard a seismic vessel.
Technical differentiates us from the ‘Marine crew’ onboard.

It says Technician in my passport so I’m not asked for my seamans book when officials see I’m joining a ship. It saves any long explanations.

Real job tile : Assistant Party Manager. Which is equally misleading.

Colin
 
DogWatch

Forgot to answer your question.

The switch panel, just aesthetically looks a bit crappy, felt tip labels etc and is very old.

Colin
 
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I expect that when I see these things done, I’ll be saying to myself ‘blumin eck, what was all the fuss about –I could have done that’ - least I hope so.


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Exactly what I said for the most part... and equally cak handed if not worse!

I needed a bundle of electrical stuff done when I bought the boat in March. Asked the yard to do some of it and, after watching the electrician drill a few holes in the boat to feed and hide the wires, (the hardest part of the job!), and connect them up to various switches....

I fitted a TV aerial, 28 mast steps, TV, Car DVD/Radio, New DSC VHF Radio, wires for 4 speakers, (nearly had the whole saloon apart for this), and I'm in the process of replacing the bearings at the steering wheel.

Goind to change the engine oil and fuel filters over the next few days, fit a bimini, and will probably have a go at gel coating in the spring.

My family and friends cannot believe that I am the same "useless at DIY person"

so it's probably a good idea to watch somebody who knows what they are doing for a while, but it shouldnt take you long to get stuck in and, if you get stuck, this forum is amazing for help.

Good Luck... I think you are asking in the right place!

Richard
 
Well Colin,

I have just read some of the other comments re. your question, and agree with them generally. I reckon you are in the right place to be asking questions, and mostly you will get good advice from the forum members.

None of it is "rocket science" and I reckon you will pick it up fairly quickly. I don't know what your wallet will stand, but you might get get a shock when you find out how much a "Jobbing Boat Fixer" charges by the hour! Trouble is, that just like you, they have to pay the mortgage and put bread on the table.

I think the sensible route would be to decide which of the jobs you really don't feel confident at tackling, and then ask around the small boatyards in your area, to see if they can reccommend anyone? Small boatyards very often employ people on the as and when, so you may get lucky. I am a Joiner Cabinet Maker by trade that has picked up a few Shipwrighting skills along the way, and I do a few repairs / alterations to boats around my area, and when folks need other skills I can generally point 'em at the right blokes to do it.

What I am saying is have a mosey around the yards and if you can do it discreetly, have a chat to the blokes on the ground, (not the bosses).........you may get lucky, somebody might appreciate a bit of extra work / cash?

Best of luck with your boat.

Charlie.
 
Colin, I may have just the man for you.
Try phoning Simon Dunn on 07703 567630.
He is a man what does, he has a tatty van, he is an allround boaty person, and resides on the East Coast offering small repair services.
He is also cheap.
Give him a ring and tell him I sent you.
Alternatively..........
I have just bought a project Seal 22 with all the ailments you describe above and a few besides. If you want to come down for a couple of weekends over the winter, I will show you how to: rewire the boat, replace fittings, fill in holes and other sundry restoration tips. Bring a camera and a notebook. All in Burnham On Crouch.

Jim
 
You have had some good advice here, but I'll add my experiences to the pot.

I did very similar things to you this winter, rewire, fit instruments, lights, etc etc... basically there was nothing on the boat other than an anchor light wired directly to the battery. Now I have everything I could need.... depth, gps, log, VHF and normal radio, external speakers, nav lights, cabin lights, new VHF aerial, resealed stanchions, redesigned cabin to include fitting a sea toilet, a sink and water system.... and the list goes on. What I am getting at is I was the same as you 12 months ago - never worked on a boat before, but gave all this ago anyway. I am now more than happy with the boat, and know every nook and cranny there is, plus how everything works. The only work I got the boat yard to do was fill in an old sea cock and reinforce the supports in the hull - I wasn't confident to do GRP work myself.

The yard charged £22/hr + VAT, so the work I had done cost about £300. Everything else... my time.

Definitely get involved, it will be more than worthwhile in the long run.

Good luck with your project and I wish you well.
 
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and know every nook and cranny there is, plus how everything works.

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Possibly the most satisfying part of doing it yourself.

On our trip from Glasson to Falmouth, with a couple of experienced crew and a couple of novices, a few things went wrong, (and I panic when they happened), but I knew exactly how they worked, opened things up, and fixed them. I was amazed and the crew were impressed...

Cheers

Richard
 
Thanks for all the encouraging replies, and the usual good advice.
It’s good to know I’m not alone in feeling a bit daunted by tackling these jobs.

It’s easy to gain the impression that other forumites are some how ‘jack of all trades’
and waltz through these things with no more difficulty than making a sandwich.

Having read the previous posts, I think I will have a serious go at the wiring and
switch panel. Once that side of things is done, fitting the plotter, VHF and sounder
should be very straight forward.

I’ll get outside help with filling the through hull holes. I’ll PM FullCircle re his kind offer, sounds like just what I need.

Don’t be surprised to see some very basic questions posted here over the winter.
I’m not back in the UK until around the 2nd of Dec so I’ll spend the next 4 weeks finding
out as much as I can about small boat wiring.
Thanks again.

Colin
 
I'd do the work myself, they're easy jobs. To fill the holes use West System Epoxy and follow they're guidance, which is in their little book and explains how to do just such a job.

The wiring requires a bit more thought and maybe a little diagram but again it's not a particularly challenging job once you get styarted, just a bit daunting to rip out the existing but onece that's over with its a piece of cake. I rewired my boat completely and Im not technical nor handy but it's just not that difficult.

And then you'll know that the jobs done right. As far as little old boats go you can't beat one that's been maintained by a caring owner IMO, workmen do shoddy work on really expensive boats so imagine what kinda mindset they're gonna have on a little MAB.

GHood luck.
 
Personally I think advising someone to fill a hole under the waterline with GRP for their first job is poor advice.
 
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Don’t be surprised to see some very basic questions posted here over the winter.
I’m not back in the UK until around the 2nd of Dec so I’ll spend the next 4 weeks finding
out as much as I can about small boat wiring.
Thanks again.

Colin

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Dont worry! If you look through my posts, (avoiding the lounge), since March, you will find more basic questions than you could imagine.... all answered with excellent advice, and usually within an hour or so of asking, (often in minutes!!).

Do a search first, because it will usually have been asked and answered before but, if you dont find what you are looking for, ask away.... If it's been answered before, someone will "politely" point you to the thread, and others will answer anyway.
 
It's easy peasy. just because it's below the waterline doesn't make it any harder,in fact because it's going to be antifouled the jobs made hat droppingly easy. GRP work such as hole filling isn't difficult to physically do, it's only the finding out how to do it that's the challenge and there's a little book inside the kits with full instructions so no need for a mission in that regard either. So if the chap follows the simple instructions it's a very difficult job to mess up and an hours work tops.

In fact I must have a different outlook to yourself because there's no way I would trust that job to anyone else unless I'd learnt myself how to do it and then stood over them for the duration making sure it was done right, in which caswe I may as well do it myself no?
 
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