Hours of darkness

longjohnsilver

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How do you manage when out at night. In my experience having spent a fair few hours at sea during the hours of darkness it seems fairly stressful at first but you gradually relax as time progresses until you approach land. Then you start to worry more about lobster and crab pots which you know are there but can’t be seen, then having passed those you start to look for buoys, some of which in my home river are unlit, and various lights. And have I got the tides right, oh s##t is that a rock over there!! Trying to distinguish nav lights and leading lights from those ashore can be extremely confusing, particularly when you have car headlights shining in your eyes. And what about those nite vision thingys, do you use them and if so how do you rate them? Or do they just dazzle you with all the background lights around?

So being at sea seems relatively easy, but entering port can be difficult, I seem to spend all my time looking at the radar, GPS, echo sounder, never seem to get the level of backlighting right, always leave me dazzled and straining for night vision, really need 4 pairs of eyes! I know lots of people prefer not to be out at night and many have the speed to ensure only daylight passages. My first channel crossings were in the winter and both ways were in the dark, disappointing not to have seen the rocks on either side as we went up the Little Russell!! But also good not to have seen the waves hitting the windscreen!

However once safely ashore I do get a feeling of satisfaction that all went to plan. Wouldn’t want to do it everyday but now and again can be good fun, also no-one around to see you cock up your mooring /forums/images/icons/smile.gif. Even better if the pub’s still open! (unless you're in Peter Port eh Dom /forums/images/icons/wink.gif)

Planning I guess is all important when approaching an unfamiliar port, but then as many others have said, that is all part of the enjoyment. Sat poring over charts with a full glass and trying to imagine and visualise what they are trying to show you on a cold dark winters evening in front of a roaring fire is all part of the fun of boating. Must bring back the Isle of Scilly charts when next on Blue Fisher!

Would be interested to read what you look for and do when making a passage or landfall at night, guess it’s the area that most of us have the least experience.

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Extremes

Sailing at night is the most beautifull experience in your life or the scariest. It is never bland.

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Keep one eye closed when you turn on a light. It takes at least 5 mins to work up your primary night vision chemicals in your eye, and they're immidiately gone when you over light it. So save one eye. Even when using red lights

Warm drinks. Crew that goes off watch makes coffee for next watch

When entering a port, mark of the landmarks/bouys on the map with a pencil you've gone past. Fatigue is a killer on concentration

Anything that blinks is a navigational marker, anything non-blinky is either an onshore traffic light or a ship. Both can damage your boat.

For every bouy that is lit, there are two that are unlit. So don't sail directly from one light to another. (these things can go bump in the nigt very loudly, and entering port with a green stripe on your hull is soooo embarrasing)

Know your lights

Forget about shining lights in your sails to make your presence known. If there's someone sailig towards me, I put on every light on deck, and if that doesn't work, 10.000 candela right in their bridge.

Music is great. Get a small (4.95£) radio for outside.

Life jackets on, hooked on all the time, from sunset to sunrise. No debate.



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"Then you start to worry more about lobster and crab pots which you know are there"
Funny you should mention this as we headed up to Lowestoft on Friday having abandoned Harwich, I had not real probs with finding the lights had three pairs of eyes, albiet old buggers but main concern was the stories of crab pots and nets.
Mercifully didnt find any entered Lowestoft no probs.

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had three pairs of eyes, albiet old buggers but main concern .....

Cheek, speak for yourself what you meant was 3 pairs of eyes, 2 of which were old buggers!

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All good stuff, to which I add...

1) motorboat nav lights are rarely well placed for night nav. Well worth having a fiddle with shields if that will help, or even moving them within the bounds of col regs, and also black taping the inside edges of stainless steel rails close to lights so they don't reflect back.

2) instrument lights can also be a bit of a blinder. Don't wait until first night passage to check; do it on the first evening that you have a bit of spare time and work out what will be too dark and what will be too light.

3) torches are handy; you always misplace the first one so have two minimum. Ditto pencils and so on.

4) if you wear glasses and are standing a watch outside keep a clean cleaning cloth or more in the pocket to wipe them free of spray and/or condensation.

5) anything outside is likely to get damp, whether crew, seats or charts. Prepare before they start to do so. If in colder climes or in the winter do not under-estimate the chill factor and its consequential effect on all aboard. A case of hypothermia is not impossible.

6) if the buoy that is ahead is flashing six and one it most certainly isn't the north cardinal you thought it must be because 'that is the only place it can be.' The brain creates marvellous works of fiction at night so start looking for the south cardinal and work out where you went wrong - that is after checking the depth sounder!

7) speaking of depth sounders learn to love yours more than usual when running coastal, even in supposedly safe water.

8) allow longer for your passages - a tight tidal gate is a pain at very best when you want to take your time over everything.

9) for a first night passage don't do it going into the night if at all possible; kick yourself out of bed early and do it going into the dawn. Quite apart from the logic, you'll find the night to dawn passage quite amazing to observe.

10) it's easy to find the leading red into a harbour, only to watch it move off at 30mph along the quay wall. Background clutter makes a lot of harbour entrances more difficult than they might otherwise be. If unsure, stand-off until you have it sorted.

11) there's no complete answer to fishing markers, but you can help yourself to an extent by sticking to areas that don't feature them so heavily...for example by taking the edge of the deeper water channel in or out of the eastern Solent rather than cutting across the shallower inshore areas off Chichester. Some of the black-flagged markers show up surprisingly well at night. If you see a faintly flickering light it might be reflective tape on fishing markers reflecting your nav lights - first time I saw that particular one I thought it was a stranded person signalling with a torch!

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hah!

My last serious night boating was with you, Mr ljs! It was blimming frightening, but we had to get in so we went further and further offshore, eventually about 8 miles offshore at 25knots and sneaked into antibes in total pitch dark. I set the brigthtness very low, and agreed to swap seats so it wd be my fault if we smashed up. Sjs seemed to think that it was all very normal, and was completely unfazed.

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Re: to which I add...

Don't bother with a big spotlight unless it's remote controlled, and a long way up or forward - you get so much light flare off s/s rails and white gelcoat you can't see a thing. For trying to find unlit boats at anchor, or unlit buoys, a £150 nightsight works far better. Stop, look around carefully and then proceed.

Also, I'd just like to say how much I hate everyone who has posted on this thread. I want to go to sea. Now. And it's only Monday and it's only February.

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Glad you knew where you was going, i had no idea, just enjoying the nice bright lites onshore. Also thort you had the dvd on screen it was so bright /forums/images/icons/wink.gif Wondered why I didn't get the plot!

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Agree all the above. I like night sailing a lot. When in Solent we used to set off back from France late, so as to arrive in Solent in dark. More of a challenge, something to do.

I only do it with at least one other exp person, pref two. imho there is too much looking-out for one person to do on his own, if you're travelling fast. And I have only done it with radar and big plotter.

Biggest obstacle is unlit steel buoys. Loads on way in to Portsmouth, frexample. GPS plotter is godsend to keep you away from edges of channel

I have not tried a night vision bi/monocular, but we just bought one so plan to use it this season. Will report back

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Point taken Coli is far older than us Jim/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Dream on. And the only time I left you on your own was with the instruction "turn 90 degrees left at that red flashing buoy" (daren't use port and stbd in case the old chap got confused) while I went to put my lifejacket on for mooring up, and what does he do? Overshoots the bouy by about half a mile.

Tch. Just can't ge the staff these days can you?

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That was Mad Max Jim at the helm thought he was in the Tr7V8/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Of course wot Colic fails to mention is that by the time he's picked up his walking stick, growled at his guide dog and replaced his dentures everyone else has packed up and gone home /forums/images/icons/smile.gif whilst he still thinks you're 10 miles offshore.

Then to top it all he falls in, losing his false teeth yet again. ;-))

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Re: Extremes

Anything that blinks is a navigational marker,
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Except for the twat that has left his ensign up at night and it is flapping across his stern light from time to time. This isn't a jocular comment I make it in all sincereity.

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Ah but everyone was really disappointed LJ. Clive TR7 and lc were all eagerly awaiting my next swim and I let 'em all down. Dry as a bone for the whole two days - well apart from large quantities of alcohol in SNYC on Friday night that is.

Even then I managed to get back on board without falling in. Well I think I did.

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Re: Byron

oops didnt think of that Friday, mind you we were going so fast the flag was at full stretch anyway

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I will vouch for that. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
First question I asked Coliholic was if he had fallen in and if not why not./forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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