D3B
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do you have to have ICC etc for these holidays?
if not....
why do we have to?
if not....
why do we have to?
Hoseasons European holidays.....ICC?
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jhr
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Interesting question. Here are the first two FAQs on their website:
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Do I need a licence and what are the rules?
You don’t need a licence to drive a boat. However, like the Highway Code (but much simpler) there are a few basic rules you need to follow. These are all explained in the comprehensive manual which we provide in every boat. Your boatyard will also advise you when you are given your handover tuition.
Should someone in my party have boating experience?
Absolutely not! When you arrive to pick up your boat, you’ll receive plenty of expert tuition from your boatyard staff. They will provide all the training, help and advice you need until you are happy to take the helm. Your on-board manual gives you lots of tips and reminders, too.
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Maybe the "handover tuition" concludes with a session of CEVNI-type questions and the issue of an ICC?
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Do I need a licence and what are the rules?
You don’t need a licence to drive a boat. However, like the Highway Code (but much simpler) there are a few basic rules you need to follow. These are all explained in the comprehensive manual which we provide in every boat. Your boatyard will also advise you when you are given your handover tuition.
Should someone in my party have boating experience?
Absolutely not! When you arrive to pick up your boat, you’ll receive plenty of expert tuition from your boatyard staff. They will provide all the training, help and advice you need until you are happy to take the helm. Your on-board manual gives you lots of tips and reminders, too.
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Maybe the "handover tuition" concludes with a session of CEVNI-type questions and the issue of an ICC?
Tranona
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Simple. Because the French brought in the Cevni requirements which allows them to ignore it if they choose - which they do for hire cruisers cos of the tourist Euros!
You saw Sarkozy performing at the G20. Same attitude!
You saw Sarkozy performing at the G20. Same attitude!
D3B
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jhr
i saw that but it seemed to be under the UK heading....
but as also mentioned its probably one of the rules bent or ignored by the froggies....
i saw that but it seemed to be under the UK heading....
but as also mentioned its probably one of the rules bent or ignored by the froggies....
jhr
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it seemed to be under the UK heading....
[/ QUOTE ] Nope; the "About Boating" tab seems to be common to all cruising areas in the UK and Europe, though I agree, some of the FAQs do seem more specific to the UK.
My money's still on the issue of an ICC after "introductory tuition" /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
it seemed to be under the UK heading....
[/ QUOTE ] Nope; the "About Boating" tab seems to be common to all cruising areas in the UK and Europe, though I agree, some of the FAQs do seem more specific to the UK.
My money's still on the issue of an ICC after "introductory tuition" /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Davy_S
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Why would you need an ICC? it seems to be canal boating, you do not need an ICC to go on a flottila on the sea, only if you bareboat, I would have thought that Hoseasons have this loophole well covered by their training. They are not going to get lost are they? should we go left or right today /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Tranona
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You do need an ICC for inland waterways in much of Europe. However it has to be endorsed after you have passed the CEVNI quiz on the "rules of the road".
BUT this does not apply to driving a hire boat at least in France for reasons I stated. Although the hire company will provide some "tuition" (so you know which is the front of the boat and which is the back and where to keep the wine and baguettes) they do not issue any certificate. An ICC can only be issued by the appropriate body (RYA in UK) after you have demonstrtated your competence.
BTW you do need to demonstrate competence to bareboat or flotilla in Greece. An ICC is one way of doing this - I have done it many times, but there are other ways as well, otherwise the operators would not be able to function.
BUT this does not apply to driving a hire boat at least in France for reasons I stated. Although the hire company will provide some "tuition" (so you know which is the front of the boat and which is the back and where to keep the wine and baguettes) they do not issue any certificate. An ICC can only be issued by the appropriate body (RYA in UK) after you have demonstrtated your competence.
BTW you do need to demonstrate competence to bareboat or flotilla in Greece. An ICC is one way of doing this - I have done it many times, but there are other ways as well, otherwise the operators would not be able to function.
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Skyva_2
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Chap I know is taking a 3m inflatable with outboard to Lake Annecy this summer. He frequently takes it on the Thames. He is advised by the Lake authorities in France that he needs ICC and CEVNI.
That involves PB2, 400 squids at his local training centre, though he might find it cheaper at Longridge.
That involves PB2, 400 squids at his local training centre, though he might find it cheaper at Longridge.
Tranona
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Yes, makes you realise how lucky we are in this country - even though it is an area that affects very few people, but for them it is some compensation for the oppressions elsewhere in society!
Davy_S
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BUT this does not apply to driving a hire boat
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erm, I thought thats what i meant!
I am well aware of Flotilla requirements,you are shown how the bits of string work and off you go! they are responsible for you just like Hoseasons are.
Been on a few, plus living here i can see for myself what goes on. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
BUT this does not apply to driving a hire boat
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erm, I thought thats what i meant!
I am well aware of Flotilla requirements,you are shown how the bits of string work and off you go! they are responsible for you just like Hoseasons are.
Been on a few, plus living here i can see for myself what goes on. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Sneds
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In my experience "training" on collecting a hire boat consists of showing the hirer how to work the cooker and how to turn the engine off!
Tranona
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No, the situation in France re boats using the inland waterways is very different from what goes on in Greece. It is a legal requirement and enforced for all users, including French nationals to have a CEVNI endorsement on their Certificate. But hire boats are exempt.
In Greece it is a legal requirement for a skipper of a Greek registered yacht to have evidence of competence. It is the nature of the evidence that is the issue. Greece does not actually formally recognise the ICC, or an RYA Yachtmaster. It allows the decision on evidence to be made by the local Port Police when they issue the cruising permit. I have one piece of "evidence" from a charter company that looks like it was printed on a child's John Bull printing press! However there have been moves in the more densely used areas to demand more, particularly for the bigger bare boats. Other Europeans can show their state licence, so an RYA ICC solves all problems!
In Greece it is a legal requirement for a skipper of a Greek registered yacht to have evidence of competence. It is the nature of the evidence that is the issue. Greece does not actually formally recognise the ICC, or an RYA Yachtmaster. It allows the decision on evidence to be made by the local Port Police when they issue the cruising permit. I have one piece of "evidence" from a charter company that looks like it was printed on a child's John Bull printing press! However there have been moves in the more densely used areas to demand more, particularly for the bigger bare boats. Other Europeans can show their state licence, so an RYA ICC solves all problems!