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Many thanks for the continued interest in this thread. I won't be employing a plumber when this is just an old bloke with too much time tinkering! (I have had my installation sign off by a plumber).
Today I fitted the honeywell pressure regulating valve. Before I started I rechecked the flow and got a little over 14ltr/min. The pressure with the valve fully "open" was approx 3.5 bar. Turned down to 2 bar the flow was 12ltr/min. Temperature at the bath tap is quickly upto 44deg with a setting of 45deg. I'll check the shower in the morning.
Allan
 
Allan said:
Many thanks for the continued interest in this thread. I won't be employing a plumber when this is just an old bloke with too much time tinkering! (I have had my installation sign off by a plumber).
Today I fitted the honeywell pressure regulating valve. Before I started I rechecked the flow and got a little over 14ltr/min. The pressure with the valve fully "open" was approx 3.5 bar. Turned down to 2 bar the flow was 12ltr/min. Temperature at the bath tap is quickly upto 44deg with a setting of 45deg. I'll check the shower in the morning.
Allan
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Thanks for the update. I would be very happy with 12l/min at my bath taps, at the moment it's little more than a dribble and takes about 40 mins to fill a bath. I'm considering replacing the low pressure hot water cylinder with a mains pressure unvented one - pricey though.
 
Allan said:
Many thanks for the continued interest in this thread. I won't be employing a plumber when this is just an old bloke with too much time tinkering! (I have had my installation sign off by a plumber).
well I’m really intrigued now I’m wondering who this ”plumber” who I hope is also a gas safe registered engineer is who is happy to sign off the work of by your description “an old bloke with to much time for tinkering” . Is ? as a gas safe engineer stuff like this horrifies me why would someone put there carreer and possibly livelyhood on the line to do something as stupid ? Glad I don’t live next door. ..........
Allan
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Itspaul, I can see it could look like that. The Gas safe registered plumber did not just sign off my work, we discussed my plans and he fully checked what I had done. I would not want to live in a dangerous house. Although I am an "old bloke with too much time who is tinkering", the reason I can tinker is that I've retired early after over 40years as a maintenance engineer, so have some idea of safety and procedures. The boiler I replaced was an Ideal classic circa 1970s, I'm 100% sure my installation is now safer and more efficient and better for the environment.
Allan
 
I’m afraid it looks like it is .... He has signed of work YOU have done In my eyes that is totally inappropriate if something happens and there is a co leak and someone dies the HSE will be knocking on his door and charging him with manslaughter. Which bit if that do you not understand ? If you think that getting a gas engineer to sign off work you have done I sugggest YOU ask the HSE if they think that is appropriate ........ unbelievable .....

for your reference this is off the gas safe website

It is not acceptable for someone who is not Gas Safe registered to fit a gas appliance or do other gas work and then have the work checked by a Gas Safe registered engineer. Both parties would be breaking the law.
 
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itspaul said:
It is not acceptable for someone who is not Gas Safe registered to fit a gas appliance or do other gas work and then have the work checked by a Gas Safe registered engineer. Both parties would be breaking the law.
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I believe that he's working on his own house gas system so he is not breaking the law in the UK. Other countries may well be different. :)

Richard
 
It'spaul, when I looked through the regulations, I found nothing like that. Presumably the original boiler was fitted by a certified plumber but I had to move the position as, like my two neighbors the flue was too close to both an opening window and the fascia boards. My installation takes all relevant rules into account.
Allan
 
your new boiler should/ must have been Registered with gas safe. That’s the law for new appliances. Now the person who registers it confirms it has been fitted by a gas registered engineer. ........ now in this case it hasn’t been fitted by a registered engineer but someone has chosen to break the law by declaring that. ...fact .... so now on an open forum you have admitted that this is the case I would love to know who the engineer is as I would report his gross stupidity ... I’m not on a crusade to right wrongs but this is not fitting a washing machine ..... this is what you are allowed by law straight from gas safe.

WHO CAN LEGALLY UNDERTAKE WORK ON A GAS APPLIANCE?
Date issued: 18/09/2014
This fact sheet explains the law regarding who can work on gas appliances.
Overview
Gas safety legislation in Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man and Guernsey set out what is defined as gas ‘work’. Generally the definition of “work in relation to gas fitting” lists specific activities which are:
• maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;
• where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position;
• removing the fitting.
These activities can only be undertaken by a competent Gas Safe registered engineer, the list is not exhaustive and other operations may also comprise gas work.
What gas work can I do myself?
The definition of gas ‘work’ is quite wide ranging but you can perform the tasks set out in the user’s instructions, (provided by the appliance manufacturer) that are intended for the user to carry out. This would not be a breach of the law.
The law allows you to replace or adjust any component or control that is designed to be operated, or replaced by the gas consumer e.g. a cooker tap control knob. However you should not do anything that involves disturbing the gas carrying components (such as the gas supply pipe) or that could affect the combustion process (such as removing the combustion case of an appliance – see Can I take the case off my gas appliance? below).
What gas work can be undertaken by other tradespersons?
If the work required only involves the replacement of a non gas component such as a water circulating pump or central heating control valve, housed within the boiler’s decorative casing, the work could be undertaken by another competent tradesperson e.g. plumber/electrician. Providing the work could be undertaken without having to break a combustion chamber seal (see Can I take the case off my gas appliance? below), disturbing any gas carrying component or disturbing a module that controls the combustion process, it would not need to be undertaken by a Gas Safe registered engineer.
However, many Gas Safe registered engineers will also have the necessary competence required to determine and rectify plumbing and electrical faults on gas appliances.
It is not acceptable for someone who is not Gas Safe registered to fit a gas appliance or do other gas work and then have the work checked by a Gas Safe registered engineer. Both parties would be breaking the law.
Can I take the case off my gas appliance?
It depends on whether the case is purely decorative or whether it is an integral part of the appliance.
Decorative casing: These cases can usually be removed by the consumer e.g. can be lifted off or are hinged panels and do not need to be unscrewed. A decorative case can be removed safely by the consumer or anybody else remembering to follow any manufacturer’s instructions and warning labels and making sure you have safely isolated any electrical parts. However, if you are in any doubt, always use a Gas Safe registered engineer.
www.GasSafeRegister.co.uk 0800 408 5500

Integral casing: Many appliances have cases, which in addition to being decorative, function as a part of the combustion circuit and form an important seal around the gas carrying components e.g. burner, combustion chamber, gas valve etc. If removing the case involves undoing a number of screws, this normally means it is a functional case and it should not be removed by the consumer or a person who is not Gas Safe registered.
For further guidance on whether you can remove the case from your gas appliance: • refer to the manufacturer’s instructions
• contact manufacturer’s helpline
• visit the manufacturer’s website
Remember, whenever having any gas work carried out, always use a Gas Safe registered engineer holding the relevant qualifications for working on your gas appliance. To find or check a Gas Safe registered engineer, go to www.GasSafeRegister.co.uk or call us on 0800 408 5500.
 
It'spaul, having read through your post, which I can't find on the gas Safe website, it appears that my methodology is perfectly legal. Fitting the boiler ect. is only illegal if you work on the gas side of it. Obviously, in my case the new 22mm supply and all other gas and exhaust related works were done by the plumber. I hope this makes it clear.
Allan
 
itspaul said:
your new boiler should/ must have been Registered with gas safe. That’s the law for new appliances. Now the person who registers it confirms it has been fitted by a gas registered engineer. ........ now in this case it hasn’t been fitted by a registered engineer but someone has chosen to break the law by declaring that. ...fact .... so now on an open forum you have admitted that this is the case I would love to know who the engineer is as I would report his gross stupidity ... I’m not on a crusade to right wrongs but this is not fitting a washing machine ..... this is what you are allowed by law straight from gas safe.

WHO CAN LEGALLY UNDERTAKE WORK ON A GAS APPLIANCE?
Date issued: 18/09/2014
This fact sheet explains the law regarding who can work on gas appliances.
Overview
Gas safety legislation in Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man and Guernsey set out what is defined as gas ‘work’. Generally the definition of “work in relation to gas fitting” lists specific activities which are:
• maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;
• where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position;
• removing the fitting.
These activities can only be undertaken by a competent Gas Safe registered engineer, the list is not exhaustive and other operations may also comprise gas work.
What gas work can I do myself?
The definition of gas ‘work’ is quite wide ranging but you can perform the tasks set out in the user’s instructions, (provided by the appliance manufacturer) that are intended for the user to carry out. This would not be a breach of the law.
The law allows you to replace or adjust any component or control that is designed to be operated, or replaced by the gas consumer e.g. a cooker tap control knob. However you should not do anything that involves disturbing the gas carrying components (such as the gas supply pipe) or that could affect the combustion process (such as removing the combustion case of an appliance – see Can I take the case off my gas appliance? below).
What gas work can be undertaken by other tradespersons?
If the work required only involves the replacement of a non gas component such as a water circulating pump or central heating control valve, housed within the boiler’s decorative casing, the work could be undertaken by another competent tradesperson e.g. plumber/electrician. Providing the work could be undertaken without having to break a combustion chamber seal (see Can I take the case off my gas appliance? below), disturbing any gas carrying component or disturbing a module that controls the combustion process, it would not need to be undertaken by a Gas Safe registered engineer.
However, many Gas Safe registered engineers will also have the necessary competence required to determine and rectify plumbing and electrical faults on gas appliances.
It is not acceptable for someone who is not Gas Safe registered to fit a gas appliance or do other gas work and then have the work checked by a Gas Safe registered engineer. Both parties would be breaking the law.
Can I take the case off my gas appliance?
It depends on whether the case is purely decorative or whether it is an integral part of the appliance.
Decorative casing: These cases can usually be removed by the consumer e.g. can be lifted off or are hinged panels and do not need to be unscrewed. A decorative case can be removed safely by the consumer or anybody else remembering to follow any manufacturer’s instructions and warning labels and making sure you have safely isolated any electrical parts. However, if you are in any doubt, always use a Gas Safe registered engineer.
www.GasSafeRegister.co.uk 0800 408 5500

Integral casing: Many appliances have cases, which in addition to being decorative, function as a part of the combustion circuit and form an important seal around the gas carrying components e.g. burner, combustion chamber, gas valve etc. If removing the case involves undoing a number of screws, this normally means it is a functional case and it should not be removed by the consumer or a person who is not Gas Safe registered.
For further guidance on whether you can remove the case from your gas appliance: • refer to the manufacturer’s instructions
• contact manufacturer’s helpline
• visit the manufacturer’s website
Remember, whenever having any gas work carried out, always use a Gas Safe registered engineer holding the relevant qualifications for working on your gas appliance. To find or check a Gas Safe registered engineer, go to www.GasSafeRegister.co.uk or call us on 0800 408 5500.
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That is not UK law. It is saying what you should do according to Gas Safe. It is not saying what you must do. What you must, and must not, do is defined by the law and, in this case, applies to the gas main.

Richard
 
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