Historical whereisit question?

[tillergirl]

Just reading an old bit of pilotage (1818) and saw some names I had never heard before.

Where would you find the East and West Knock in the Estuary? And no, it's not by the Knock John or Kentish Knock.

No cheating by Google now peeps.

 

[nigelm]

Just reading an old bit of pilotage (1818) and saw some names I had never heard before.

Where would you find the East and West Knock in the Estuary? And no, it's not by the Knock John or Kentish Knock.

No cheating by Google now peeps.

I know my charts are a few years out of date but I think nearly 200 yrs is stretching it a bit

 

[ChattingLil]

I know my charts are a few years out of date but I think nearly 200 yrs is stretching it a bit

Depends on the Forumite!

 

[nigelm]

Depends on the Forumite!

I wonder who that could be

 

[tillergirl]

The reference was still there in the 1847 sailing instructions - is that more feasible for you; it's short term memory that goes first!

 

[Wunja]

Shouldn't this be a wherewasit?

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Shouldn't this be a wherewasit?

I've got a few really old East Coast charts... i'll have to look at them this evening to see if they are on there!

 

[FullCircle]

My old charts are rolled up in the garage - and I am not home until friday, by which time some clever clogs will have revealed all.

 

[DavidofMersea]

Just reading an old bit of pilotage (1818) and saw some names I had never heard before.

Where would you find the East and West Knock in the Estuary?

So you are looking for a pair of Knockers in the Estuary

 

[tillergirl]

Shouldn't this be a wherewasit?

Well only the names have gone!

 

[FullCircle]

Well only the names have gone!

With the constant movement of the shoals and banks, I find that hard to believe Roger!

 

[tillergirl]

With the constant movement of the shoals and banks, I find that hard to believe Roger!

You are right of course. In 1847 both dried, the West Knock until 'half flood' and the East Knock 'until two hours of flood' with swashways of 2 to 3 ft in between. Only what was the East Knock dries today, whilst the West Knock does not but is still regarded as a shoal/sand.

 

[Master_under_Dog]

They could be just south of Shoeburyness, or at least that's where Streetmap puts them.

 

[tillergirl]

They could be just south of Shoeburyness, or at least that's where Streetmap puts them.

There you confirms all my prejudices regarding modern charting technology

No, not there but well done for having a go.

Ur by the way, didn't I ban Google

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

There you confirms all my prejudices regarding modern charting technology

No, not there but well done for having a go.

Ur by the way, didn't I ban Google

Point of order.... he didn't use Google... he used Streetmaps!

 

[tillergirl]

Point of order.... he didn't use Google... he used Streetmaps!

Generic ban - Google as in Hoover

Didn't know this either.

 

[Master_under_Dog]

he didn't use Google... he used Streetmaps!

Thanks for speaking up in my defence but I have to come clean. In the absence of any charts either from this century, the 20th or the 19th I did do an internet search. But if a novice like me could find the Streetmaps East and West Knock I didn't think it could possibly be the right answer. Bit coincidental that they are in the Thames estuary, nevertheless.

 

[tillergirl]

The answer is out there on t'net

 

[Master_under_Dog]

A more recent reference?

 

[tillergirl]

Time for a clue. I seem to recall that Maurice Griffiths went aground on it once - not that he called it the East Knock. He could see the lights of the shore from where he was aground.

I know, I know, not much of a clue.