Heating Oil

D

davedpc

Well-Known Member
Joined
21 Nov 2003
Messages
923
Location
reading&upperhamble
Visit site
What will be the legality of me installing a 500 gal. oil tank at home and using a small trailer/bowser as I can get alongside the quay at my yard. How much does heating oil cost? Or should I just bite the bullet and pay up after all, the gov. has got to fund all the immigrants from somewhere. Dave.
 
I think heating oil costs less than red from the marina, legally i would think it would be the same as vehicles using red, i.e you'l get nicked !!
 
Red Heating oil is about 35p ish depending upon the volume but that includes a VAT rate at 5% for home heating - using it in any other way is illegal - anyway the good ol boys from Revenue and Customs are going to expect tanks to show a reduction in red dye evidenced by receipts and engine hours logged -dont shoot me I didnt make the rules.
 
The catch is going to be. If they keep red diesel, but just tax it more, then let the fishy men claim it back. Theres nothing to stop us buying a few 45 gallon oil drums of the stuff and carting it down to the boat.
Course if they go the other way and make it white diesel only. It will take years to get all the planning aproval for the tanks and another few years before the fuel will have been used up in all the boats. Reacon it might be ten years before it could actually be elegal.
 
Get real chaps -
1). After the last scare "all farmers filling their Landys with tractor fuel" HMCE overreacted by imposing a huge amount of paperwork on anyone supplying Red. The net result is even if you put in a tank (and 600 galls is the size) you will be quizzed by the distributor as to what you are going to do it, and to boot they have been asked to snoop on you and see if you are actually heating your house with it.
As most people use Kerosene anyway you probably won't get supplied.

2). You'll probably find that someone will object to you filling up your boat from the shore.

3). To other posters - It's not beyond the wit of testing gear manufacturers (if such a piece of kit isn't already available) to measure the concentration of the tracer compound and even producing a table to indicate how long the old fuel - or trace of it - has been in the tank. Therefore, there will be no need to replace existing tankage.

4). I reckon that there are so few places where there will be a need for separate Red / White supply that there won't be a problem.

The simples solution would be for HMCE (Make no bones about it it's them who will make up the rules) to adopt the minimum rate of duty from the EU which would make most folks content and not want to evade duty anyway. Being a simple solution, it just won't happen.
 
it will be illegal to transport it and to use it, unless you disconnect the engine(s) and only use it for the heater/generator. Then it would only be illegal to transport it (lack of a petroleun license).
 
Rubbish, it's quite legal now to cart red diesel about, except not connected to engines, cant see them bothering to change the law for a few boaters.

I've been through it all years ago. Used to drive my own truck to the middle east.

Three tanks. Usually two small tanks 90 gallon and 75 gallon would take me down england and through germany to eastern block at the time. Then pump red into the trucks tank and carry on to Turkey. After that diesel was 10 p a GALLON then 4p a GALLON in Saudi. Course, I filled up there with 650 gallon for the return, also topping up on the way back, where ever cheap. he law was, you can come into the country with a normal tank full. OK mine was 650 gallon but no one ever asked, only how many fags!!
 
Yes thats about it, the existing fuel suppliers will (probably)have to make up their minds where their profit lies, red white or both. It could be that white diesel will as hard to get as petrol -but thats pure speculation.

The technology exits now for tank testing - road going Excise men use it every day to detect dye in cars and vans.

The french will relish the chance to tax some british boaters some more and the red diesel issue is already prominent in some french ports.

Its now up to the government to issue guidlines detailing a timeline and how they intend to introduce changes so boaters can stay legal on all sides of the channel.

The problem for me is that I dont have a warm fuzzy feeling that they are up to the task.
 
/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Thats an old joke. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Yep, they used to go through the cab with a fine toothed combe. Once felt sorry for a bloke with an eluminated head board, saying Blogs Transport or what ever. But also at night saying Benson and Hedges, Benson and Hedges, Benson and Hedges, Benson and Hedges, Benson and Hedges, Benson and Hedges, Benson and Hedges, /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I have a 45 gallon oil drum permenantly mounted down below. So far very usefull for passing by expencive places, then filling to the gunnels where cheap. Might even add another one or two. Whats to stop me switching over to red, once 12 miles out. Or better still, when just before I get caught.. Some quick release fittings are quite cheap and could be changed over in seconds. They cant argue with me having red on board for heating. Just rather alot!!
 
The problem for me is that I dont have a warm fuzzy feeling that they are up to the task.
.................................................

No, thats the slight problem. The French will interpret it one way. UK another, then the Germans will have quite another slant on it.

Now if EEC or whatever they call them selves these days. Just said. All fuel in EEC is 60p ltr, no problem, is there. All fair then.

Trouble is, by there way of trying to equalise things. You finnish up with far more disparity than before!!
 
I use heating oil at home and it doesnt come with any dye in it. First question - can you actually use it in a VP diesel engine?
 
My supplier says you can run a diesel on heating oil, but you will end up with pump problems as diesel is also a lubricant and kerosene isn't. He also says there is no difference between red and white, only the dye, in spite of popular rumour to the contrary(originated by the authorities)
 
sam, You use 28 second oil, which is clear, you could use 35 second oil if you change the injector nozzel in your boiler. 35 sec is red cos its red diesel . . . . .
 
[ QUOTE ]
He also says there is no difference between red and white, only the dye, in spite of popular rumour to the contrary(originated by the authorities)


[/ QUOTE ] Thats not quite what these forums' resident fuel expert told us a while back (he runs a fuel testing laboratory so should know about these things). Red diesel CAN be just white with a dye AND AN INVISIBLR CHEMICAL MARKER added but normally isn't. The red supplied for marine and agricultural use is actually a lower level distilate and thus a dirtier fuel. So, if UK boaters end up having to use white (and its the road-going grade) at least they can console themselves that the higher price is, in fact, doing their engines some good!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Top