Harmanising of EU CE and UK and Iso standards implications after 2022 changes? Anyone know whats happening?

[ChrissieTwo]

Commission Implementing Decision (EU) 2021/1407 of 26 August 2021 amending Implementing Decision (EU) 2019/919 as regards harmonised standards for fire-resistant fuel hoses, non-fire-resistant fuel hoses, seacocks and through-hull fittings, engine-mounted fuel, oil and electrical components on inboard diesel engines, and steering wheels

 

[AntarcticPilot]

I don't know about the EU and UK harmonization, but ISO standards will be unaffected. They are global in scope, and set by discussion between the standards agencies of pretty much every country there is. I represented Antarctica for Geographic Information standards - you don't get much wider international consultation!

ISO standards that are relevant to a particular country are then usually adopted by the national standards agency, potentially with added explanatory material to suit local conditions, and of course translated as necessary (not sure how that bit works - English is one of the official languages in which ISO standards are published). The EU adopts ISO standards separately from the UK process, and always has; Brexit won't actually change that bit. The only change is where the EU has adopted a standard and the UK hasn't - standards adopted by the EU and embedded in EU legislation were automatically part of that legislation. The vast majority of ISO standards adopted by the EU were also adopted by the UK; it was rare for a standard to be seen as relevant to the EU but not the UK!

If a BS standard is prefaced BS/EN, it is an adopted ISO standard. At least, that's how I recall it, but it is 12 years since I was involved in that world.

Incidentally, ISO isn't an acronym or abbreviation; ISO is the name of the organisation. Obviously it derives from "International Standards Organization", but because that only works in English (it would be OSI in French), they resolved that the name would be ISO.

 

[st599]

ISO derives from the Greek for equal. The organisation name is the International Organisation for Standardisation.

BS/EN is an adopted EU CEN or CENELEC standard (Europeène Norme). BS/ISO and BS/IEC are the adopted international standards.

 

[Tranona]

I think the question is about whether the standards will be brought into the UKCA as well as the EU RCD - not that i know the answer.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

ISO derives from the Greek for equal. The organisation name is the International Organisation for Standardisation.

BS/EN is an adopted EU CEN or CENELEC standard (Europeène Norme). BS/ISO and BS/IEC are the adopted international standards.

Naming has moved on since I was last involved; I am fairly sure it was BS/EN when I was last involved - but that was a decade ago. I think adopted EU standards were BS/CEN in those days, I will admit that it was rarely a factor in my area (TC211); it was far more important that we worked with bodies like IEEE, and it was rarely necessary for the ISO standards to be adopted as BS standards, because they didn't impinge on UK law.

However, the name of the organization is ISO; the English description is International Standards Organization just as the French description is l'Organisation internationale de normalisation. This is prominently on the front page of their website and differs between language selections. ISO was chosen to avoid the name either being different in different languages or having to decide that the name would be in a specific language (which those who know the system realize would never happen!).

 

[st599]

It’s all in the name
Because “International Organization for Standardization” would have different acronyms in different languages (IOS in English, OIN in French for Organisation internationale de normalisation), our founders decided to give it the short form ISO. ISO is derived from the Greek “isos”, meaning equal. Whatever the country, whatever the language, we are always ISO.
ISO - About us

 

[st599]

I think the question is about whether the standards will be brought into the UKCA as well as the EU RCD - not that i know the answer.

That's up to the BSI and will take in to account more than just the technical viewpoint. I'd assume they will take ISO, but not necessarily EN. Even if they do, there will definitely be a separate compliance procedure.

 

[lustyd]

I suspect that unless you're a boatbuilder it won't make a difference. Adopted standards mean that the stuff you buy in shops will be compliant, and new boats will be built to comply, but day to day it won't matter. A new standard doesn't mean we all have to change, many houses still have the old mains wire colours for instance. We don't re-certify boats when on a trip, only if importing, so unless you're permanently moving the boat it shouldn't matter either.

 

[ChrissieTwo]

I was mainly wondering about if when the standards were harmonised there were any actual changes to the fuel line, seacock and through hull standards? It also seems that the UK simply took on all the EU future reccomendations wholesale when we left, part of those were restrictions on DIY anti fouling and other aspects of our boat care. Through research I can see what is coming up in the European pipeline but not what is actually heading our way in the UK

 

[dunedin]

I was mainly wondering about if when the standards were harmonised there were any actual changes to the fuel line, seacock and through hull standards? It also seems that the UK simply took on all the EU future reccomendations wholesale when we left, part of those were restrictions on DIY anti fouling and other aspects of our boat care. Through research I can see what is coming up in the European pipeline but not what is actually heading our way in the UK

Well as the UK is such a tiny market, the few UK boatbuilders will be forced to build to the EU standards anyway.
So it would be best for them if the UK standards moved with the EU ones to stay aligned, otherwise might not be cost effective to sell boats into the UK home market.

 

[Minchsailor]

I was on various BSI committees (EH 2, and it's offsprings - environmental, covering emissions from big chimneys) for more than 30 years. On some occasions I represented the UK at CEN and ISO international meetings.

Not sure of the present situation regarding the UK. but CEN is not a sole EU body, in my time there were non-EU countries as members, and I would hope that the UK has continued.

There is (was) a hierarch in applying standards: CEN>ISO>BS. Many standards became applicable in the UK by default, whether or not they had a BSI number.

As mentioned above, the UK boat market is too small for manufacturers to make kit solely to a UK specification, so on a practical level I should expect little change.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

My industry will certainly buy to EU spec. We dont make much of the needed equipment in the UK and no EU supplier is going to the trouble of recertifying to some UK standard - and quite possibly no UK supplier either if they have a world wide market.