Hardwood mouldings

[conyermud]

Hi, I need to re-make the cockpit locker tops/seats. They are simply 12mm plywood with a hardwood moulding around their circumference to pretty up the edges. Any ideas who supplies these general types of mouldings??

 

[Captain Coochie]

Most timber yards will stock a range but Homebase sell Richard burbidge mouldings that will do the job .

 

[conyermud]

Thanks, we have one locally, I'll nip down in the morning and take a peek.

 

[Poignard]

A year or so ago I contacted Richard Burbidge Ltd and asked what kind of hardwood they used for their "hardwood" mouldings. I was told it is "Cambara" and it is classified as "moderately durable" whereas Mahogany, for example, is classed as "durable". They said it would be ok for exterior use provided it was well protected. Personally, I'd rather stick to mahogany, teak or iroko.

If you want mouldings in mahogany, iroko, teak etc you can get them machined by firms such as Robbins Timber Ltd, Bristol or South London Hardwoods Ltd, Croydon. This would be expensive if you only needed a small amount.

Alternatively, you can easily make your own using a router or those antique wooden moulding planes that are available from second hand tool shops, boot sales etc. I use these when it's not worth setting up a router; it only takes minutes to produce a few feet of moulding. They come in all sorts of shapes but can easily be altered if you don't find the shape you need. They are very cheap because nobody seems to want them nowadays but they produce a perfect result if they are sharp.

 

[Captain Coochie]

Cambara is a mahogany /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[gandy]

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... They are very cheap because nobody seems to want them nowadays but they produce a perfect result if they are sharp.

[/ QUOTE ] Tell me where, please! All the old moulding planes I've seen for sale are knackered - split, irons missing etc etc. I'd love a reasonable set of hollows and rounds.

 

[Poignard]

Secondhand toolshops, boot sales, antique shops [the less arty-farty ones] etc. That's where I got mine. I saw a couple for sale in Greenwich market recently but a long way from you, I think!

 

[Poignard]

That's interesting. Surprising that Richard Burbidge Ltd' s Technical Manager doesn't seem aware of it.

Quote [in reply to my enquiry asking what their mouldings are made of]

"Our dark hardwood mouldings are manufactured from Cambara;
Scientific name - Erisma Uncinatum
Trade name - Jaboty
Family name - Vochysiaceae
Common name - Cambara
Similar in colour to Mahogany but more brown than red.
Kevin Jones, Technical Manager" March 17, 2005

To which I replied: "Would you class Cambara as a durable timber, i.e. as durable as Brazilian Mahogany?"

Answer: " Text books describe Cambara as 'moderately durable' whilst mahogany is 'durable'. If varnished correctly and maintained annually, this should perform as well as Mahogany".

 

[RJD393]

You can get teak molding in various shapes from Howells in Poole
http://www.k.j.howells.dial.pipex.com/

 

[Captain Coochie]

It has the same properties as meranti and is also used in plywood construction . Whats the point in putting genuine mahogany mouldings on a plywood made from other types of Mahogany ?
By the way Cambara/Jaboty is also grown in Brazil so does that make it a Brazilian Mahogany ?
I wonder if Kevin still works there /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Poignard]

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Whats the point in putting genuine mahogany mouldings on a plywood made from other types of Mahogany ?


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The original enquirer said it was for use in his cockpit, i.e. outside. Personally, I would want to protect the vulnerable edges of the plywood with something durable not something moderately durable. The extra expense for such a small quantity would be neither here nor there.

I haven't the faintest idea whether Kevin still works there. If, as you suggest, he's giving out duff information he may have been sacked.

 

[Captain Coochie]

Im suggesting Kevin looked on the internet and gave you his google search on the timber you asked about . If he had known his stuff he would have told you the name mahogany was first used for wood of Swietenia mahagoni, sometimes referred to as Spanish or Cuban mahogany, later also for the wood of the closely related Swietenia macrophylla, sometimes referred to as Honduras mahogany. Today, all species of Swietenia are listed by CITES, i.e. protected.
The name "mahogany" is also widely used for that of the African genus Khaya (closely related to Swietenia), more correctly African mahogany.
Used in the plural, "mahoganies" may refer to the wider group of all the timbers yielded by the three related genera Swietenia, Khaya and Entandrophragma. The timbers of Entandrophragma are traded under their individual names, sometimes with "mahogany" attached: for example "sipo" may sometimes be called "sipo mahogany"
In addition the timber trade deals with many so-called "mahoganies" with various adjectives attached, notably "Philippine mahogany". These woods have nothing to do with mahogany proper. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Poignard]

For gawd's sake! Yes, yes - whatever you say.

 

[Captain Coochie]

Homebase it is then ?

 

[Slow_boat]

Never mind the name, how do I go about making or obtaining flat section wood, about 2" across, that will fit the semi circular corners of my cockpit coaming?

 

[Captain Coochie]

Do you meen the back edge fitting the coaming or getting the timber to bend around the coaming ?

 

[rogerthebodger]

Have a look here
There are all kinds of molding and shapes. Khow its teak but you can det the shape you want as a sample and some one in the UK could help you locate shape you need

 

[Slow_boat]

Sorry, been out.

I mean capping to the top of the cockpit coaming where it turns a radiused right angle at the corners.

 

[Captain Coochie]

Dunno /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Id make it myself . The link above looks quite good .