Handling a small boat at close quarters in strong winds, phew

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The boat was lifted on Tuesday at QAB in Plymouth for Promarine to fit a transducer (new A78, hurray) and held in slings overnight so needed to be launched first thing Wednesday so they got their lift back in operation. Wednesday in Plymouth was forecast F6 to F8, but I was only going 400yds from QAB through the lock into Sutton, what could go wrong?

The wind was very blustery but not a steady gale by any means, so off I went. Boat was pointing the wrong way, starboard side to and near the slipway but there is some space to port. I backed off the pontoon clear of other boats then tried to spin on the spot, to starboard. The bow came round 90 degrees so I am now pointing at the pontoon, but that was it. I then started blowing towards the slipway with port ahead in idle and starboard astern in idle. There is no thruster. So I upped the power ahead, giving it a burst. It didn't work, the boat simply moved back towards the pontoon. So I gave a burst astern on starboard engine. Now both engines are above idle. This worked and the boat spun to point the right way. It then immediately caught the wind on the port bow and bore off again, this time to the other side. Now burst ahead on starboard, astern on port and it straightened up, but I wasn't moving forward.

By now I had decided the wind was too strong, but that insight was a bit too late. My focus was on trying to get the boat pointing up the fairway so I could get enough power on to move forwards. Getting back on the pontoon looked dicey as I could easily blow onto the concrete slipway. What I found was I could briefly make progress, then the bow blew off and I struggled to get it back, then forwards again another 10yds. I reckon I looked like an inexperienced ice skater, slithering around. I was having to rev both engines as idle made no difference which I didn't like at all.

Thankfully, once out of the QAB fairway I was less at the mercy of the gusts and the lock was on free flow, through that and Sutton was an oasis of calm.

I think I got it wrong a) to think I was OK as it was only a short trip and b) to put the effort into pointing the right way, I should have worked at going the right way, even if the boat was crabbing sideways. The bow was always going to blow off, I should have accepted that and compensated with more thrust from the downwind engine.

Question : does that sound like the right lesson? What would you have done?
 
The boat was lifted on Tuesday at QAB in Plymouth for Promarine to fit a transducer (new A78, hurray) and held in slings overnight so needed to be launched first thing Wednesday so they got their lift back in operation. Wednesday in Plymouth was forecast F6 to F8, but I was only going 400yds from QAB through the lock into Sutton, what could go wrong?

The wind was very blustery but not a steady gale by any means, so off I went. Boat was pointing the wrong way, starboard side to and near the slipway but there is some space to port. I backed off the pontoon clear of other boats then tried to spin on the spot, to starboard. The bow came round 90 degrees so I am now pointing at the pontoon, but that was it. I then started blowing towards the slipway with port ahead in idle and starboard astern in idle. There is no thruster. So I upped the power ahead, giving it a burst. It didn't work, the boat simply moved back towards the pontoon. So I gave a burst astern on starboard engine. Now both engines are above idle. This worked and the boat spun to point the right way. It then immediately caught the wind on the port bow and bore off again, this time to the other side. Now burst ahead on starboard, astern on port and it straightened up, but I wasn't moving forward.

By now I had decided the wind was too strong, but that insight was a bit too late. My focus was on trying to get the boat pointing up the fairway so I could get enough power on to move forwards. Getting back on the pontoon looked dicey as I could easily blow onto the concrete slipway. What I found was I could briefly make progress, then the bow blew off and I struggled to get it back, then forwards again another 10yds. I reckon I looked like an inexperienced ice skater, slithering around. I was having to rev both engines as idle made no difference which I didn't like at all.

Thankfully, once out of the QAB fairway I was less at the mercy of the gusts and the lock was on free flow, through that and Sutton was an oasis of calm.

I think I got it wrong a) to think I was OK as it was only a short trip and b) to put the effort into pointing the right way, I should have worked at going the right way, even if the boat was crabbing sideways. The bow was always going to blow off, I should have accepted that and compensated with more thrust from the downwind engine.

Question : does that sound like the right lesson? What would you have done?

I would have carried out the exercise stern first!
 
I could copy and paste your post because we did almost exactly this today, with the exception of going through the lock. we're in QAB. The lesson is, get yourself a bow thruster :) We waited until we thought the wind had dropped enough but as soon as the ropes were off it started up again. The bow thruster saved us from wiping out several other boats and we needed it to get back into our berth without incident.
 
Had a similar problem myself, couldn't get the bow through the wind even with the thruster so decided to reverse down the fairway as the crabbing was taking me ever closer to a 60ft Princess. I tried to look like I meant it, but youngest was asking very loudly what the hell I was doing (forgot to tell him last minute change of Plans)
 
Agree with stelican, bum first (terminology especially for Latestarter :D) would be my choice. In strong winds a bowthruster, even if you had one, still might not be up to it.
 
Had a similar problem myself, couldn't get the bow through the wind even with the thruster so decided to reverse down the fairway as the crabbing was taking me ever closer to a 60ft Princess. I tried to look like I meant it, but youngest was asking very loudly what the hell I was doing (forgot to tell him last minute change of Plans)

Not sure whether driven by a strong desire for marital harmony or boating experience, but SWMBO kept quiet and waited till we were tied up before mentioning I may not have been in complete control
 
I could copy and paste your post because we did almost exactly this today, with the exception of going through the lock. we're in QAB. The lesson is, get yourself a bow thruster :) We waited until we thought the wind had dropped enough but as soon as the ropes were off it started up again. The bow thruster saved us from wiping out several other boats and we needed it to get back into our berth without incident.

I will get a discount if you move into Sutton, Pontoon A, no current, no wind (well, most of the time)
 
Yes,stern to ,straight back to the slings for a thruster...:)
I must be useless as I have always found reverse twice as hopeless as forwards..by this stage I am looking for the boat with the smallest anchor on its bow....
 
Not sure whether driven by a strong desire for marital harmony or boating experience, but SWMBO kept quiet and waited till we were tied up before mentioning I may not have been in complete control

Oh she added to the entertainment as well. A scream of "we are going to hit" is always guaranteed to pull an audience. Now know that hit = 8 feet away at least. :)

That said I did exactly what one of the YBW videos on windy marinas recommended, shame I didnt see it beforehand though ?@$
 
I will get a discount if you move into Sutton, Pontoon A, no current, no wind (well, most of the time)

No thanks that lock would drive me crackers. It's nice and quiet here in QAB and I can park about 30 yards from my boat. Current is never a problem, and we've got a bow thruster for when it's windy. :p
 
kcrane, you don't say whether your boat is standard shaftdrive or not but I'll assume it is. I know that the accepted wisdom is to centre the rudders when trying to turn the boat on the engines but in very windy conditions, it often helps to steer the rudders in the direction you want to turn as well as using the engines. By the same token, you can make it more difficult to turn the boat by having the rudders inadvertently steered in the opposite direction
 
kcrane, you don't say whether your boat is standard shaftdrive or not but I'll assume it is. I know that the accepted wisdom is to centre the rudders when trying to turn the boat on the engines but in very windy conditions, it often helps to steer the rudders in the direction you want to turn as well as using the engines. By the same token, you can make it more difficult to turn the boat by having the rudders inadvertently steered in the opposite direction

Yep, standard shafts and D3s. I did centre the rudders and didn't try to use them, but you are right, they do help quite a bit. I didn't use them more cos I was a bit panicky and juggling the throttles constantly with no spare brain for the wheel!
 
I'll be checking Eos very closely when I get down later.........:)

I was very good and checked Eos when we got down last week, all OK, well until someone with a blue hull careered past a few days later. You have only left a small gap with that great big cruiser of yours there on the corner :)

We are down again tomorrow, I will have another Eos rope check but she is trussed up pretty well, and it is pretty protected on A pontoon.
 

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