halyard deflector vs halyard diverter

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On my selden mast I have two halyards exiting in front of the mast and both ABOVE the forestay.
When furling the genoa I have occasionally this famous halyard wrap issue.

Consequently I have to choose for one of the above mentioned solutions.
I assume the diverter is more proper one as it would also bring the halyard below the Forestay, but I would like to avoid drilling around on the mast. Also then I cannot choose anymore freely among halyards.
Would the deflector do the job as well??

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vas
 
I observed that in the med, more boats had deflectors but quite a few had diverters. Others, including us, had nothing. But we had 'wrap' problems and have now fitted a diverter which works well.
 
I have had halyard wrap problems and fitted a bullseye fairlead as a diverter, which worked OK but wore right through in a couple of years. I then bought a new Facnor furling gear which came with a deflector, looks like a small rubber coated wheel above the upper swivel. This has been fitted since 2003 and I have had no further recurrence of the wrap. The only problem with it has been ensuring that the knot connecting the halyard to the shackle is as small as possible, as otherwise it will snag on the deflector.
 
thanks guys.
I guess the cleanest option since my halyard exit is ABOVE the forestay is the halyard restrainer.

@vyx: i guess you have the halyard exit anyway BELOW the forestay so you stay only with the deflector.
 
Sorry if I am misunderstanding but do you mean your genoa halyard exits above the forestay? That sounds very odd to me.
The ones above the forestay should be spinnaker halyards.
Are you sure you don't have an exit sheave for the genoa halyard just below the forestay, maybe combined with the forestay attachment?
Have a look at http://www.seldenmast.com/en/products/masts/forestay_fittings_-_halyard_routings.html for the possibilities.

Like Vyv I had a Facnor furler with a deflector disc. Unlike Vyv I don't like it, prefer the diverter lead (which you'll see on p26 of the Selden cat on the link above.)
I found the disc took up too much space and meant the head of the sail had to be further from the top.
However the disc has the advantage of keeping any spinnaker halyards out of the way too!
 
@Plevier: Yes it is odd. I dont know why, I guess somebody forgot to install the deflector or it was somehow removed....
No there is no exit sheave for sure. I have ckecked that catalogue probably i will need one of those leads as depicte din p28. A single one, as the spin halyard should exit above the forestay.


Now the furl unfurl works with some distraction, I guess with the deflector it will be ok even without disk.

but the deflector seems a must!
 
I suppose really there is no reason why it shouldn't work OK with the halyard above the forestay. The upper swivel will just be rotated 180 from how it is if the hal is below the forestay!
However it would have to be significantly above to get the necessary divergence, not integrated with the forestay attachment.
 
Plevier said:
Sorry if I am misunderstanding but do you mean your genoa halyard exits above the forestay? That sounds very odd to me.
The ones above the forestay should be spinnaker halyards.
Are you sure you don't have an exit sheave for the genoa halyard just below the forestay, maybe combined with the forestay attachment?
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On some boats the same halyard is used for genoa & spinnaker.
I raced on a IMX 40 with two halyards exiting above headstay used both for headsail and spinnaker.
 
The downside of the halyard above forestay is that when hoisting it has to be firm not to wrap even during hosting,, as the weight of the hallyard will push it below the forestay.
Second its clear that you will not reach the desired angle of more han 10degrees as the halyards runs in parallel with the forestay.
 
knuterikt said:
On some boats the same halyard is used for genoa & spinnaker.
I raced on a IMX 40 with two halyards exiting above headstay used both for headsail and spinnaker.
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yeah right! but i guess on a racer you would probably have a tough luff instead of my old furling.....
 
The disc type deflector should work regardless of where the halyard exit is.
Same with a retainer - Harken have a model whith wheel on it.

If you use a retainer the hight of the svivel is important so if you have sails with different luff lengths you ned extension strap on the shorter sails.
 
Here's a pic of ours. Halyard and forestay pretty much at the same level.
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