Had a look at a Sealine S23

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Went to have a look at an S23 on saturday. Less than a year old with 80 hours and every option possible - interior upgrade, electric windlass, trim tabs, plotter, heating inside and out etc, etc and with the diesel engine. Only downside was it has never been antifouled so bottom was very dirty otherwise condition was as new. Broker is asking £48500 - is this a fair price?

Going to see a Monterey 250 on Saturday! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
britemp

i traded one in for S29 recently which had almost all the extras you describe except the heating, for 48K. 18 months old, 130 hours, mainly inland waterway work but had been antifouled. done as part of the Sealine Exchange deal. money back up to two years if you upgrade to new bigger model.
see if broker will give you Exchange deal and ask him to antifoul it for the same price.

i would suggest its very good value as new S25 would probably be 65K+ with all those extras.

by the way they are vey nice boats with a walkway all round. wider on the port side which saves having to walk thruough the screen and allows easier mooring access than many similar sized boats. you step of the bathing platform onto the pontoon not jumping from the deck /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Doug
 
good price in my eyes with all the extras it would be about £65000 for a new one
ive owned mine since midddle of march this year and love it
i can see me keeping this one for a while before i upgrade as there is loads of room on board

get it bought you only live once and life without a boat is no life

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even to dog says there is loads of room for eating
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Thanks for the replies - it seems like a good deal to me as well. Got some other boats to look at this weekend but I do like the S25 a lot. Can't live in Cowes and not have a boat! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
23 or 25. I m confused what boat we re talking about.
Generally though, the economy is really begining to suck. You dont need to be a hot shot in the city to see bigger ticket stores are empty, and never ending sales and discounts isnt getting people to spend. House prices (most people main asset) is stagnant at best, Jolly Gordon's slippery tax increases are biting, credit cards debt (at god knows what rates)at at an amazing £1 trillion pounds with huge increases in defaults/bankruptancies. If this continues and red diesel goes, I think there s a nasty chance selling a boat could be a nightmare shortly. No need to pay up for anything.
 
Very good point.

Been thinking of upgrading my little Fairline Sprint for something bigger with diesels but with the uncertainty about red diesel etc, I'm holding fire for now. I can see a lot of boats coming onto the market if running costs treble and as you say, they will be hard to sell.

Personally, I can see a better market for petrol boats as the fuel cost will then be comparable and they are lighter, easier to service and parts are generally cheaper in my experience.

maybe the ridiculous price premium people have to pay to get a pair of diesels rather than petrols will also evaporate.

The only advantage that will remain strongly in favour of diesels will be a better fuel economy and a good availability.

Don't think anything much is going to move this season unless its either exceptional, very competitively priced or at the big end of the market where the rich people live and don't have to worry too much about costs.

Cheers

JH /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
I'm not sure about that.

Diesel engines cost what they cost because of manufacturing volumes, R&D, and complexity, not because their costs are offset by cheap fuel. Elsewhere in Europe, diesel and petrol are similary priced, and if I could buy a diesel boat at half price because of this in Spain, I would.

There are many reasons why diesels are more desirable in a marine environment. Cheap fuel is part of it, but not the whole story.

I would never own a petrol boat again (apart from the tender), despite loving the sound of other people's V8's, especially via above-the-water exhausts.

dv.
 
Hi DV

Do take your point and I had tried to address that when I was saying that fuel economy and availability play a large part.

Safety is also a good consideration as friends of mine often ask how I feel about sitting on a bomb, but when I ask if they carry a gas cylinder and the consequences of a leak, their arguments tend to evaporate.

OK so petrol can be dangerous but skippers have to treat it with respect, eg open the hatch and have a look before starting up, run the blowers, keep an eye on fuel lines for corrosion etc. This is all basic stuff, but most accidents happen when it isn't done.

As to cost, here is an example of what I was talking about.

I looked at a boat of about 28ft at one of the boat shows. The price shown was for a single engine petrol boat. I asked about a diesel version and the price rose by about 15K.

So, I got a price off the net for the engine and outdrive only. this came to less than 15K

My question therefore is are we buying boats with petrols in, having them removed and replaced with a diesel but ending up paying for both.

Look at the costs on the VP price lists etc The difference in prices on brand new petrol and diesel engines doesn't come to 15K IMHO. I'm doing a bit of research into this at the moment.

In round figures for a typical 170 HP KAD32 I was quoted a price of about 13K fully installed so that would be about 11K for the engine/Drive. A 4.3v6 petrol was quoted at 8K+installation. Assuming 2K again, thats only a 3K difference.

Someone somewhere is making a lot of money at the expense of us boatowners and our seemingly intense desire to have diesels. The cost differences are not as great as they are made out to be and we are still going out and paying over the odds. You don't pay a 15K premium to buy a diesel car so why do it for boats.........beats me I'm afraid.

Cheers

JH /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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