Greeline Hydrid

[oGaryo]

There's one of these berthed in Ocean Village at present and it caught my eye. I thought it looked impressive

http://www.motorboatsmonthly.co.uk/reviews/boats/steel/1/128276/greenline-33-hybrid

 

[rustybarge]

There's one of these berthed in Ocean Village at present and it caught my eye. I thought it looked impressive

http://www.motorboatsmonthly.co.uk/reviews/boats/steel/1/128276/greenline-33-hybrid

it didn't get a great write up, something along the lines of ' make great estuary or inland waterway cruiser', or fantastic on a 'calm Med day outing.'

Seems to have a flat bottom!!

 

[LittleShip]

it didn't get a great write up, something along the lines of ' make great estuary or inland waterway cruiser', or fantastic on a 'calm Med day outing.'

Seems to have a flat bottom!!

We must have read a different write up. ???

Tom.

 

[rustybarge]

We must have read a different write up. ???

Tom.

It was in MBM, they also said the 160hp VW engined version used more fuel at 20kts than a Windy at 40kts!!!

Very nice interior though. I had a quick look at the super efficient hull concept, general opinion seems to think it's not possible, or if it is the gains are so small that the compromise in the hull form is not worth it.

 

[Firefly625]

There's one of these berthed in Ocean Village at present and it caught my eye. I thought it looked impressive

http://www.motorboatsmonthly.co.uk/reviews/boats/steel/1/128276/greenline-33-hybrid

Had a look over the 33 and a 40 recently. Once you have seen a 40 you would not have a 33.

 

[rwoofer]

Had a look over the 33 and a 40 recently. Once you have seen a 40 you would not have a 33.

Curiously I thought the opposite. For well over double the price, you don't really get much more....

 

[Firefly625]

Curiously I thought the opposite. For well over double the price, you don't really get much more....

Are you kidding!

Edited bit… sorry, sounds a bit harsh. But just my opinion.
Still got the brochure and spec sheets. The 40 just seems vast for a 40footer / the 33 felt well, a 33 footer..

Comparing greenlines "standard" spec on each boat, 33 comes out at £162500, 40 at £306093.

Displacement (so what your £'s are getting ) . 33 4800kg, 40 8000kg. I can see where the extra is. But each to there own.

 

[Hugin]

It was in MBM, they also said the 160hp VW engined version used more fuel at 20kts than a Windy at 40kts!!!

Very nice interior though. I had a quick look at the super efficient hull concept, general opinion seems to think it's not possible, or if it is the gains are so small that the compromise in the hull form is not worth it.

Hi all, I've been lurking here a while, time to join the community. I found the Greenline 33 was a fresh and interesting take on a mobo when it came out. The hybrid approach offered something really new. Low-speed silent cruising and 230V power anytime, anywhere without a genny constantly humming.

On second thoughts I think the Superdisplacement hull is an expensive mistake. For all practical purposes its just an inefficient SD hull. The boat is so light that a reasonably efficient planing hull with the same 150hp engine should hit 18-20 kts easily. This one barely makes 13kts according to the tests.

Still, the idea behind the hybrid propulsion could be developed and used in a more appropriate package. Yes, nice interior in the salon...... but just one cabin in a boat 10x3.5m??????

Note: SeaWay now apparently regrets the original choice of VW engines. The non-hybrid versions are now marketed with 110hp, 170hp and 220hp versions of VP D3. Only the hybrid version retains the VW engine.

 

[rwoofer]

Are you kidding!

Edited bit… sorry, sounds a bit harsh. But just my opinion.
Still got the brochure and spec sheets. The 40 just seems vast for a 40footer / the 33 felt well, a 33 footer..

Comparing greenlines "standard" spec on each boat, 33 comes out at £162500, 40 at £306093.

Displacement (so what your £'s are getting ) . 33 4800kg, 40 8000kg. I can see where the extra is. But each to there own.

Show's how people perceive things differently. I went on both the 40 and 33 at SIBS in that order. At first I thought I was on the 33 when I was in actual fact on the 40 as the saloon layout is virtually identical. It was only the second cabin that gave it away, but given you can get a double bunkbed passage cabin on the 33, even that difference is minimised.

Although the Specs suggest a much bigger boat, to my mind they really didn't feel very different. If I was paying twice the price I really would want the boat to feel like I'm getting double or even just 50% more.

 

[Whitelighter]

Had a look over the 33 and a 40 recently. Once you have seen a 40 you would not have a 33.

The 48 is even more impressive.

They now do the 33 with a second cabin which makes it a but more useful for a family, even if it is bunks.

 

[CX54WEK]

We really liked the 33 and thought it a cracking boat.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

There are a few Greenlines in the Adriatic now as they are made in nearby Slovenia and I talked to the owner of a 33 last year and he confirmed also what MBM said in that it's a wet boat. IMHO I don't see any advantage to the electric hybrid stuff, at least as far as propulsion is concerned. Being able to cruise a few miles at very slow speed will only save a teacup of diesel and the rest of the time when you are cruising under diesel power, you're having to lug around the extra weight of the batteries and electric motor which must increase fuel consumption. Where I do see an advantage to the hybrid system is when you're at anchor or moored without shorepower because, as I understand it, the batteries can provide several hours of mains power via the inverter. In the Med, being able to run the aircon all night without genny or shorepower would be a big plus. To be honest, I think the hybrid bit is a clever bit of marketing but it's a con. You're not going to save a great deal of fuel, if any at all, by owning a Greenline and if you want to save the planet, you're better off buying a sailing boat

 

[MapisM]

To be honest, I think the hybrid bit is a clever bit of marketing but it's a con.

+1, I couldn't agree more.

Hybrid systems as we know them in cars do have a sense, which is the recover of kinetic energy.
Which is indeed a lost opportunity in non-hybrid cars, at least under some (many) traffic/driving conditions.
But on a boat?!? The opportunity to recover such energy simply does not exist!

Completely different story for another system which is also called hybrid, which is the electric main propulsion, with modular gensets providing as much electrical power as the boat services and the cruising speed require.
I firmly believe that there's a future for such propulsion systems, in spite of the difficulties found so far in the (very few) attempts already made.
There's in fact a number of advantages in such logic, and once the intrinsic complexity will be reduced/made reliable enough for small boats usage, it will become very popular.

 

[jrudge]

Having had the mis-fortune to have a Toyota Yarris Hybrid rental car this weekend - a hybrid boat - no chance.

 

[MapisM]

LOL, first experience? Hybrid cars take a bit of time and attitude to drive them.
Otoh, if I'm not in a hurry I can get 35+ MPG out of my RX. And 7 seconds 0 to 100 Kmh, when time is more important than fuel burn.
Name me another 2+ tons car which can achieve such results, if you can.

 

[Hugin]

But on a boat?!? The opportunity to recover such energy simply does not exist!

I don't see energy recovery as the only capability that could make a hybrid system popular. Leaving and entering a marina in complete silence and limited-range low-speed silent cruising have merits on their own. Cutting back on diesel idling time by switching to battery-electric when waiting for a bridge to open or a pontoon to clear will not only save you a few teacups of diesel but will also save wear and tear on the expensive diesel engines. Too much idling and low load use are more damaging to a diesel engine than cruising at 80% power.

And for smaller boats; without a genny; there is the advantage of 230V power without running a genny. The Greenline 40 has 21kWh of battery capacity..... aircon could run all night on batteries only.

 

[grumpy_o_g]

LOL, first experience? Hybrid cars take a bit of time and attitude to drive them.
Otoh, if I'm not in a hurry I can get 35+ MPG out of my RX. And 7 seconds 0 to 100 Kmh, when time is more important than fuel burn.
Name me another 2+ tons car which can achieve such results, if you can.

Range Rover Hybrid?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Name me another 2+ tons car which can achieve such results, if you can.

Er, my 2t Audi A8 4.2Tdi used to achieve that sort of mpg and get to 100kph a helluva lot quicker than 7s

 

[rwoofer]

Name me another 2+ tons car which can achieve such results, if you can.

I think the BMW X range can easily beat that with just normal diesel engines. I seem to recall the X3 doing something like 50mpg and the X5 2.5d also does that.

 

[Prhperio]

LOL, first experience? Hybrid cars take a bit of time and attitude to drive them.
Otoh, if I'm not in a hurry I can get 35+ MPG out of my RX. And 7 seconds 0 to 100 Kmh, when time is more important than fuel burn.
Name me another 2+ tons car which can achieve such results, if you can.

My Merc S class diesel can get 35 ish MPG. Can't quote the 0-60 off hand but it can't be a million miles away from that. I've not had a hybrid so can't really comment but I get the impression that a modern diesel gets pretty much the same milage so why go for the complexity of hybrid ? (I appreciate I may be missing something here!)