Greek Rules on safety equipment

[sjwallwork]

does anyone have any knowledge on safety regulations in Greece for yachts being chartered and specifically do all yachts have to have a spare tiller?

Also can anyone recommend an expert on rudder damage who can provide an opinion on causes and age of the damage?

thanks

Simon

 

[William_H]

I have no idea about Greek rules. However safety equipment requirements as specified particularly by yacht racing authorities tend to be quite similar. You could do well by trying to meet these standards for your own safety and peace of mind. I think almost certainly in doing so you would meet Greek requirements. If you do not meet some of the requirements for yacht racing however you may still be compliant Greek requirements. ie proving self righting, or ability to lock and unlock all hatches from both inside and outside, actual sizes of cockpit drains, harness attachment points or hand holds.
Yes for a wheel steered boat there must be an emergency tiller available for yacht ocean racing.
Obviously many requirements will be universal and I think should met in all boats. In date flares EPIRB, radio, first aid kit, bilge pumps fire extinguishers rig cutter life jackets etc.
Here is a link to West Ausralian govt requirements. https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/boating-safety.asp.

 

[Tranona]

does anyone have any knowledge on safety regulations in Greece for yachts being chartered and specifically do all yachts have to have a spare tiller?

Also can anyone recommend an expert on rudder damage who can provide an opinion on causes and age of the damage?

thanks

Simon

Yes, the boat should have an emergency tiller. It is both a general requirement of the RCD for all wheel steered boats and a specific requirement of the Greek charter code.

Can't help directly on rudder damage but guess it depends on where the boat is located if you want a physical inspection and opinion. However, if it is based on photos and description then a UK based surveyor might help or a dealer for the make of boat.

Sounds like you are in dispute with the charter operator or their insurers. More details may help for advice, but don't envy you the task if you were not able to resolve it on the spot, particularly if it is a locally owned operator rather than one based in UK.

 

[langstonelayabout]

Interestingly the requirements for a spare tiller matches that of the Spanish requirements recently posted here ('Orden').

And although not a legal requirements here, when I sold my last tiller-steered yacht, the buyer's surveyor recommended that he should acquire an emergency tiller.

I guess it is a seamanlike approach, but how far do you go when it comes to recommending equipment for events that you hope will never occur? Should I ask Moses to come sailing with me just in case my boat sinks?

 

[Neeves]

Instead of Moses you might carry, and be more dependable (he might be busy), LJs or even a life raft. We have never used LJs in anger - but they seem quite a good idea. My father did spend some considerable time in a lifferaft, the absence of which would have meant I would not grace this noble space. Guess why we carry a lifreraft (and have never used in anger either).

Our wheel steering has failed once, cable failed - we carry an emergency tiller (and had the spare cable) but our autopilot drives the rudder, almost directly, and it was a much easier option. Replacing the cable was not particularly easy - the system was not designed with repair in mind (which I find is a common flaw on a yacht).

Jonathan

 

[sailaboutvic]

does anyone have any knowledge on safety regulations in Greece for yachts being chartered and specifically do all yachts have to have a spare tiller?

Also can anyone recommend an expert on rudder damage who can provide an opinion on causes and age of the damage?

thanks

Simon

Simon if this is all about a claim against a Greek charter company , you may have a problem on your hands ,
I hope your fully comp in which case let your insurance deal with it .
We had twice cases when we not only got witness but also videos and still the company's have denied all responsibility and said we was at fault, even tho in one case other private boat got damaged at the same time .
In the end we had to just do the repairs our selfs as it wasn't worth the trouble to make a claim .

 

[Neeves]

If its a common problem - Sounds like a case where publications of names might be useful - or is there some reason people cannot be protected.

Jonathan

 

[sjwallwork]

thank you for this information

Simon

 

[sjwallwork]

yes we have a dispute with a charter company in levkas greece, who claim we damaged the rudder. they have taken our security deposit although we have an opinion from a boat yard owner in Greece that the damage is old. Thanks for this information. we will have to fight it through the credit card dispute process

 

[sjwallwork]

Yes, the boat should have an emergency tiller. It is both a general requirement of the RCD for all wheel steered boats and a specific requirement of the Greek charter code.

Can't help directly on rudder damage but guess it depends on where the boat is located if you want a physical inspection and opinion. However, if it is based on photos and description then a UK based surveyor might help or a dealer for the make of boat.

Sounds like you are in dispute with the charter operator or their insurers. More details may help for advice, but don't envy you the task if you were not able to resolve it on the spot, particularly if it is a locally owned operator rather than one based in UK.

thanks this is useful to know. it appears the charter company supplied our boat in breach of these regulations. I will approach a ukbased surveyor to assist