Government back down on red diesel legislation

MoodyNick said:
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Doesnt actually change anything, except the signed declaration being removed means no self-incrimination at time of purchase.

If HMRC are true to the word come Budget Day, we should be grateful to Gus Lewis and Howard Pridding, IMO.
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I don't see any reason for significant gratitude - it was always pretty clear that they were not intending to prosecute us themselves, just require us to acknowledge that we had been warned of the risk of prosecution elsewhere. Clumsy wording that has now been clarified - gee, thanks!
 
MoodyNick said:
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Doesnt actually change anything, except the signed declaration being removed means no self-incrimination at time of purchase.

If HMRC are true to the word come Budget Day, we should be grateful to Gus Lewis and Howard Pridding, IMO.
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But has the damage been done already, Dutch, French and others may now decide to apply their law to UK boats, as well as the Belgians, who also may become more proactive. If they have removed the revised wording, what are they actually changing in the Fuel regulations?
 
Stork_III said:
But has the damage been done already, Dutch, French and others may now decide to apply their law to UK boats, as well as the Belgians, who also may become more proactive. If they have removed the revised wording, what are they actually changing in the Fuel regulations?
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Well, they haven't removed the revised wording - just made it completely clear that they (HMRC) will not prosecute us for taking the fuel outside national boundaries - which seemed pretty clear anyway. It is just the RYA making a lot of fuss about having succeeded in getting them to accept that the wording was ambiguous.
 
MoodyNick said:
Latest news
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Doesnt actually change anything, except the signed declaration being removed means no self-incrimination at time of purchase.

If HMRC are true to the word come Budget Day, we should be grateful to Gus Lewis and Howard Pridding, IMO.
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Well done RYA/BMF - I don't think :rolleyes:

The RYA and the BMF sought to clarify the Government's intentions over this declaration and to propose alternative wording that simply reminds recreational boaters that other coastal states may apply their own legislation to vessels navigating in their territorial waters.
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Marinas can continue to sell red 60/40 at near white, fully taxed diesel prices.
Ka-ching.

And when UK boaters get fined abroad for having red in their tanks everyone can wash their hands of the whole thing: we told you so!

UK based yotties going abroad are the only losers - everyone else wins.
Result.
 
Wot Guapa says

Bureaucracy will have been paid yet more in salaries to remove those words. Crackers! About as watertight as a collander
 
Guapa said:
Well done RYA/BMF - I don't think :rolleyes:



Marinas can continue to sell red 60/40 at near white, fully taxed diesel prices.
Ka-ching.

And when UK boaters get fined abroad for having red in their tanks everyone can wash their hands of the whole thing: we told you so!

UK based yotties going abroad are the only losers - everyone else wins.
Result.
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No bloody use at all as we still cant go to Belgium without it being quite a risk.

The RYA have just repapered over the cracks
 
Phoenix of Hamble said:
Great.

Thats the Solent sorted then.

Shame about the UK's second most popular sailing area... The East Coast.

When will the RYA fix the REAL problem?

I can't see many memberships being renewed anywhere anticlockwise of north foreland.
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Why should everybody else in the UK have to spend 20p per litre more on fuel so that East coasters can continue to visit Belgium? That doesnt make sense to the majority of UK boaters who never leave UK waters anyway.
 
They shouldn't have to.

We should all get white at sensible prices.

Lets just hope that France dont follow Belgium's lead. Or maybe lets hope they do, because then the RYA might put down their G&Ts, sort the problem and stop pretending that they've delivered a massive victory.
 
Phoenix of Hamble said:
They shouldn't have to.

We should all get white at sensible prices.

Lets just hope that France dont follow Belgium's lead. Or maybe lets hope they do, because then the RYA might put down their G&Ts, sort the problem and stop pretending that they've delivered a massive victory.
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In fairness, I fully agree that the current situation is no longer sustainable. The stupid declaration has just been a major distraction and raised the profile of the issue, for better or worse.

The BMF and RYA are hardly pretending they've delivered a massive victory - but at least avoided major backward step. They were as surprised as the rest of us about the Treasury's announcement on 20th Feb. The same people have been talking to HMRC for a long time, with a view to doing so for a couple of years yet.
 
MoodyNick said:
Why should everybody else in the UK have to spend 20p per litre more on fuel so that East coasters can continue to visit Belgium? That doesnt make sense to the majority of UK boaters who never leave UK waters anyway.
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well, it could equally be asked why we should be barred from sailing to the continent so that others can continue to evade tax to the extent of 20p per litre...
 
sailorman said:
we are all ( in the UK) in fact paying over to odds compared with the rest of Europe. THAT is the issue that need addressing
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And you think that the government is going to budge on that one with the financial black hole that Gordon Brown left them???
 
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