God, I'm in a foul mood. Linear galleys this time.

[Twister_Ken]

God, I\'m in a foul mood. Linear galleys this time.

The more I think about the b/show the more I remember that I didn't like. What's with this fashion for linear galleys half way down a 14ft wide saloon? All the lady folk crammed into a Wotsit 45 were ooing and ahhing at the nice kitchen, and their men folk were nodding sagely.

"How do you make a cup of tea on starboard tack? " I asked a little more loudly than I'd intended. A question ignored by the salesperson. But another visitor picked up on it and we had a stimulating discussion about what a useless arrangement it was, until being asked to leave because "there are people waiting to come aboard". There were too.

 

[tomg]

Re: God, I\'m in a foul mood. Linear galleys this time.

I've got one of those, amidships on my Warrior 40. It seems to work OK on both tacks and is no more or less convenient than the 'athwart' arangement on the previous Moody 376. My pet hate at the boat show was for 'athwart' sleeping berths. Only slept in one of those once in my life on a rolling yacht and never want to do so again.

 

[Mirelle]

An example

the biggest Oceanis at the show had just such an arrangement, with a fridge door opening athwartships.

But the best bit of this boat was the headsail sheeting arrangement, espescially that for starboard tack.

 

[Adrian_Morgan]

Re: God, I\'m in a foul mood. Linear galleys this time.

Why the foul mood, old fruit? Beats me why you bother looking at other boats (and bothering us with your thoughts about their deficiencies) since you seem to think your Twister is the be all and end all of naval architecture this century. If you are happy with the accommodation and food preparation facilities (galley) of a 1960s designed yacht then anything else is surely pure luxury - linear, horizontal, L shaped or whatever. Why get your knickers in a twist about unaffordable boats with unfeasibly shaped galleys? Are you planning to buy? Is your Twister not sufficient? Are her days numbered? Let others be seduced. Just be thankful you own an enduring classic. My advice is to stay away from boat shows (they only make you angry).

 

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[RobertMartin]

Re: God, I\'m in a foul mood. Linear galleys this time.

I think all these guys that design these silly interiors have never spend a week at sea above a force 3. But then the boats are normally purchased by people that only sail on a sunny Sunday afternoon and leave there boats in the marina 90% of the time, so making a cup of tea on a starboard tack is not a problem!!!
Lets serious, a seagoing yacht should have a seagoing interior, not look like a houseboat, and anyone that ohhs and ahhs on a boat should be left in the tender....

Bobby aka Seawolf..
Sail as if your free

 

[Jeremy_W]

Of course you\'re right

The very best arrangement of this sort is on the McGregor (pause to wash out mouth with soap and water) 65. Not merely the linear galley arrangement but the elevated navigator seat (forward facing open sided, no safety strap - nuff said) is so located that if the navigator loses his grip he goes flying across the cabin down onto the stove. They probably won a design award for that piece of genius!

You're very enraged at the moment Twister Ken. I see you're a writer. Do you write Daily Mail editorials? Are you "The Angriest Man In Holloway". I think we should be told!

Regards,
Jeremy

 

[claymore]

Kens Twister

Adrian - do you not see what you are doing to him? For Ken it wouldn't be a simple matter of a change of boat - it would mean a whole new persona as his forum ID would have to change too. Somehow Halberg-RasseyKen doesn't just do it.....
then again, KennyMacgregor??

 

[bedouin]

Re: Let us in on the secret then

That's the second time you've referred to sheeting on the Bendy Toys - since I'm one of the 'You won't catch me dead on a BendyToy' brigade I didn't look at the boat - so what's the problem?

 

[kdf]

Re: Kens Twister

Not just the Bens - Looking over the very nice Oyster 59(?) at the show I see just such a galley arrangement along the port side plus the nice little (big) fridge that will spill its contents all over the floor when opened when heeled on port tack.

They're all at it!

 

[brian_neale]

Re: Kens Twister

I took a look at the Legend 32 at Earls Court. The salesman probably did not know the significance of my Old Gaffers sweatshirt and let me through by mistake. I wanted to bring myself up to date with sailing technology less than a century old.

I was particularly taken by the vase of flowers on the saloon table, and the rather attractive bottle of different coloured sands on the chart table. I could not find them on the list of extras. Are these standard chandlery items? I seem to be dreadfully out of touch with the niceties of modern sailing.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Now I know what a McGregor is for I\'m tempted...

...the trick is not just to hang a 50 horse over the back, but to install a 200 watts per channel stereo system. Then I can slalom between all the nice Hunbenjenbavs anchored in Studland or Osborne bay (actually Studland AND Osborne bay, because it'll only take a few minutes to get from one to the other).

Do this at teatime, and I should toss hundred of cooks out of their linear galleys. All the time playing Slayer at full blast. And then, as the air fills with DSC distress calls the lifeboats can come out to play, bringing spare supplies of Earl Grey and Dundee cake, run Sea Checks whilst they're are there, sign up shore line members, greatly increasing their funds , and getting the chance to mop tea off of totty at the same time.

An indispensable service to sea faring folk - who will see the folly of the linear galley. To small boatyards, who'll earn good money building new u-shaped galleys. To the marine rescue industry (as above). To purveyors of safety equipment as hundred of Sea-Chequed skippers reel through the doors with their must-have lists. To the manufacturers of non-spill mugs and teapots. And to fans of Slayer (regrettably few at the moment).

 

[Twister_Ken]

A bowl of fruit is also de rigeur. nm

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[billmacfarlane]

Re: God, I\'m in a foul mood. Linear galleys this time.

Ken , pour yourself a glass of that lovely amber fluid that's a product of my home country , or whatever you use to calm yourself down , whether legal or not. It doesn't matter one whit whether linear gallies are in vogue or not , if that's what people want to buy , let them buy them. For all you know they might be perfectly happy with them. They might buy them with fully opened eyes knowing that they can't cook at sea and are happy to use them as "marina caravans" , an attitude that seems to be disparaged by some on this site. There's nothing wrong with that style of sailing if that's what you/they want to do , just as there's no need for people to adopt a superior attitude because they choose a different style of sailing. There seems to be plenty of both type of designs around , both linear and L shaped ones. You pays your money you takes your choice.

 

[Fin]

Spillage

On a similar note ...

At a boat show a few years back there was a stand selling the sticky, non-slip cloth; goes by various names, I know it as 'elephant skin'. Their display consisted of a table top cover with this cloth and mounted on a see-saw arrangement. The sales person had a glass of something refreshing on the table and as they rocked it over to angle of about 35-40 degrees announced, "and look, even when your boat is heeled over like this you won't spill a drop." Which prompted the response, "if my boat was ever sailing at that angle the last thing I'd be concerned about is spilling my drink!!"

 

[claymore]

Re: Kens Twister

At that price I think it should be "well heeled on port tack"

 

[kdf]

Re: God, I\'m in a foul mood. Linear galleys this t

Why would a linear galley be any worse than an L shape?. Granted you may need to brace the cook but I've needed that in an L shaped one as well. Angle of heel is the same regardless of the shape and that nice cup of Earl Gray will spill just a well in a L shaped "kitchen"

 

[billmacfarlane]

Re: God, I\'m in a foul mood. Linear galleys this t

Yes it will spill the same. With a linear galley you'll have to carry a cup half the lenghth of the boat before you can get it to the cockpit. With an L shaped galley you can pass a cup to the cockpit without moving. When you're cooking in an L shaped galley you can easily grab a breath of fresh air , and it's easy to wedge yourself in , in a rough sea. You're also not cluttering up the corridor through the boat. With an L shaped galley you usually get a cosy saloon with benches either of the saloon that can be used as sea berths.

 

[Mirelle]

Re: Let us in on the secret then

On the biggest Oceanis at the Show, the headsail sheets were intended to be led back to the primary winches from the turning blocks through tunnels carved out of the lids of big cockpit lockers. There was a fairlead at the unboard end of the tunnel on the starboard side so you could figure 8 the sheet and avoid it dropping out of the tunnel, in which case you might have to open the locker to re-reeve it.

On the port side the tunnel itself was missing; someone had forgotten to mould it in, so there was no way of sheeting the headsail on starboard tack unless you led the sheet over the top of the locker, giving a very foul lead to the winch.

 

[zefender]

Re: God, I\'m in a foul mood. Linear galleys this time.

Uncharacteristically curmudgeonly TK.

"Hello, my name is Zefender and I have a linear galley". So what? I cook at sea and I've never noticed much difference between it and an L or U. When its rougher, you need a bum strap anyway.

Does the presence of a linear job suddenly mean that I'm a branded a caravanner, potting about, not really sailing? Surely, when heeled, you are pinned on one plane - having another plane wont help much, unless you are talking superyacht scale or impractically tiny. The amount of worktop space available on most boats with L or U arrangements prevents most cooking anyway. But then only weekend wimps eat proper food.

I suggest you stand in your galley and pour yourself a large one with a Prozac or two for good measure and think about how soon it will be before you can enjoy cruising - whatever the layout of your 'kitchen' ;-)