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I see that next year, CalMac will have a new ferry on the Arran run. Dual fuelled, LNG and diesel.
Apparently, the supply of LNG is from SE England That's a lot of road tankers heading for Ardrossan!
 
earlybird said:
I see that next year, CalMac will have a new ferry on the Arran run. Dual fuelled, LNG and diesel.
Apparently, the supply of LNG is from SE England That's a lot of road tankers heading for Ardrossan!
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I'm sure they could arrange to get some from Mossmorran in Fife.
They keep on flaring the stuff off into the sky there.
 
Robin said:
To what tune?
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The Methane of the Waters, obviously.

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Spyro said:
Seems it's coming from a bit further than that. https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...-that-needs-fuel-shipped-in-from-middle-east/
4 tankers per week. But it's not Calmac burning dirty old diesel it's someone else.
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That's fairly alarming. If Jim Ratcliffe and Ineos were able to supply from local (gas and plant) supplies there would be jobs created in Scotland and nullify the effect of transporting from Quatar. I've travelled on the LNG/Gas (Rolls Royce engined) turbine ferries between Stavanger and Denmark. Smooth as butter and no smoke. I don't know where Fjordline source the LNG at present- imported I think. There are moves afoot to build a marine LNG plant at Fredrikshaven in Denmark, so it might just need shipped across the North Sea in the nearer future. http://www.greenport.com/news101/lng/new-lng-project-in-denmark.
Norway is also investing in LNG production for marine use http://www.dmf.go.th/pdf/5 LNG_Egil_Rensvik.pdf
 
Spyro said:
Seems it's coming from a bit further than that. https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...-that-needs-fuel-shipped-in-from-middle-east/
4 tankers per week. But it's not Calmac burning dirty old diesel it's someone else.
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That report is rather scaremongering. We import a lot of natural gas from the middle east. It is shipped to us in liquid form, in tankers like this

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and when it it arrives is stored before being evaporated and fed into the gas distribution system. Given that liquefying gas takes equipment and effort, it makes sense to supply bulk customers from the liquid stuff. It's not as if an LNG carrier is plodding between Qatar and Kent just to supply Calmac; the stuff which the Glen Sannox will burn is a tiny proportion of what is arriving anyway in Kent, Milford Haven and other places.

As for the claim that it would take a new petrochemical plant the size of Grangemouth to produce LNG ... that's just cobblers. As I posted above, Flo-Gas are setting up a liquefaction plant there which should be in operation in a year or two.
 
The FLOGAS project is not a liquification plant, it is just an unloading and storage facility. The LNG will have just come into Scotland by a small transhipment tanker by sea rather than by lorry.

Anybody who is interested in Scottish ferries should read the Roy Pederson books, in particular "Who Pays the Ferryman" (ISBN 978-1-78027-122-4) (Not the one about Crete!) I have a feeling he would not be impressed by the Glen Sannox, as he did not think much of the Hybrid power boats (Lochinvar), as they cost so much and alternative ferry designs would produce less CO2.
 
Martin&Rene said:
The FLOGAS project is not a liquification plant, it is just an unloading and storage facility. The LNG will have just come into Scotland by a small transhipment tanker by sea rather than by lorry.

Anybody who is interested in Scottish ferries should read the Roy Pederson books, in particular "Who Pays the Ferryman" (ISBN 978-1-78027-122-4) (Not the one about Crete!) I have a feeling he would not be impressed by the Glen Sannox, as he did not think much of the Hybrid power boats (Lochinvar), as they cost so much and alternative ferry designs would produce less CO2.
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From within Calmac.... The idea of sourcing via Risavika was looked at but isn't really economically viable. No facilities exist for filling LNG road tankers in Scotland at present . There are no known plans for such a facility at Grangemouth so the only fueling option is to truck LNG from Isle of Grain.
Much of this decision making was Transport Scotland- not by CMAL or Calmac, so there are political contributions unfortunately.

Trucking LNG the length of the UK to make a ferry service "eco friendly" seems like an exercise in self deception by both Calmac and the Scottish Government?
 
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This is an interesting one that won't be going away any time soon. P&O's new 180,000 ton cruise liner which has already been ordered is destined to run on LNG to reduce emissions.

I'm sure this is the thin end of the wedge and we'll see more like it in the coming years.
 
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