lyc
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UK Gipsy Moth skipper and mate sacked by sailing academy
Subsequent to the recent grounding of Gipsy Moth IV in the South Pacific,
Subsequent to the recent grounding of Gipsy Moth IV in the South Pacific,
Gipsy Moth skipper and mate sacked
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FullCircle
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You've been Lakesailored on a different (earlier) thread!
Its a shame though, and its there for us all to commit the mistakes, every time we go out. I hope the Skipper and Mate recover and get on with their sailing.
Its a shame though, and its there for us all to commit the mistakes, every time we go out. I hope the Skipper and Mate recover and get on with their sailing.
Wansworth
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If they had been chosen to command the yacht they must have had suitable qualifications,If it was an error of judgement they can only be better saailers from it,the sea is about experience,they must have fallen down on their duty to be sacked.
tcm
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hm maybe. I think that you may be overlaying what your reaction would be, possibly? I mean, altho would be furious with yourself and make sure you never ever to do it again doesn't mean everyone else would, does it?
I do understand your sentiment tho: we had a guy at work who was sposed to take backup, didn't once or twice so we were knackered when the 'puter went down. But we kept him with same reponsibilities and he never ever made the same mistake.
I spect there is more than the press release tells...
I do understand your sentiment tho: we had a guy at work who was sposed to take backup, didn't once or twice so we were knackered when the 'puter went down. But we kept him with same reponsibilities and he never ever made the same mistake.
I spect there is more than the press release tells...
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bob_tyler
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"The board, which included a former specialist navigator from the Royal Navy"
That would worry me!
That would worry me!
Malcb
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Its a shame though, and its there for us all to commit the mistakes, every time we go out. I hope the Skipper and Mate recover and get on with their sailing
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But they are professionals, and as such, are more accountable than most of us.
Its a shame though, and its there for us all to commit the mistakes, every time we go out. I hope the Skipper and Mate recover and get on with their sailing
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But they are professionals, and as such, are more accountable than most of us.
Malcb
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"The board, which included a former specialist navigator from the Royal Navy"
That would worry me!
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Why? Justify your statement.
"The board, which included a former specialist navigator from the Royal Navy"
That would worry me!
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Why? Justify your statement.
bumblefish
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Well they could be from HMS Nottingham?
Malcb
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Could have been from HMS Grafton which managed to sit on a rock in Copenhagen, but I wasn't asking you!
starboard
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"The board, which included a former specialist navigator from the Royal Navy"
That would worry me!
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Why? Justify your statement.
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4 incidents over the past 5 years have seen Naval warships/submarines run aground..........enough said!!!!!
Paul.
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"The board, which included a former specialist navigator from the Royal Navy"
That would worry me!
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Why? Justify your statement.
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4 incidents over the past 5 years have seen Naval warships/submarines run aground..........enough said!!!!!
Paul.
Sailfree
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Assuming the outcome of the enquiry was that they were at fault could UKSA have done anything else except sack them! In the event of them continuing to be employed (albeit having learned from that unfortunate experience) and then having the misfortune of being involved in another, possibly more serious, accident the UKSA would have been taken to the cleaners.
Phoenix of Hamble
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Rubbish....
As TCM implied earlier, errors make good lessons......... the UKSA would be no more liable than with any other (new?) skipper if they had been seen to implement necessary actions from the appropriate lessons learnt.....
I'm with Jim.... we all screw up sometimes....
As TCM implied earlier, errors make good lessons......... the UKSA would be no more liable than with any other (new?) skipper if they had been seen to implement necessary actions from the appropriate lessons learnt.....
I'm with Jim.... we all screw up sometimes....
graham
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errors make good lessons
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Only if you survive them.
I feel sorry for the mate and skipper but without knowing the details of the concerns brought up in the diciplinary hearings none of us can really comment on the fairness of the decision.
errors make good lessons
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Only if you survive them.
I feel sorry for the mate and skipper but without knowing the details of the concerns brought up in the diciplinary hearings none of us can really comment on the fairness of the decision.
Benbow
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OK, we don't know what happened, but on the face of it, it certainly appears to be a simple screw-up.
It may be harsh, but on a fully crewed boat with a professional skipper and inexperienced kids on board such things simply should not happen. When they do, someone screwed-up and must face the consequences.
It may be harsh, but on a fully crewed boat with a professional skipper and inexperienced kids on board such things simply should not happen. When they do, someone screwed-up and must face the consequences.
FullCircle
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Not disagreeing that they should be sacked - from this job. That is not what I was getting at.
However, that should be no bar to future employment if the lessons are learned and presuming they would still seek employ in this biz.
Maybe not with UKSA, and the CV will look a bit lopsided for a while, but....
However, that should be no bar to future employment if the lessons are learned and presuming they would still seek employ in this biz.
Maybe not with UKSA, and the CV will look a bit lopsided for a while, but....
jhr
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I suspect that, for a while at least, sailing schools are going to be particularly alert to people who worked for UKSA, and who left them in May 2006.
Looking on the brighter side, I reckon these two are still an attractive employee prospect to, ahem, a certain sailing school with significant presence at Port Solent................ /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Looking on the brighter side, I reckon these two are still an attractive employee prospect to, ahem, a certain sailing school with significant presence at Port Solent................ /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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we had a guy at work who was sposed to take backup, didn't once or twice so we were knackered when the 'puter went down. But we kept him with same reponsibilities and he never ever made the same mistake.
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I take it you work for an organization that does not operate in a competative environment?
You seem to view such events and remedies as a therapeutic exercise for the culprits.
we had a guy at work who was sposed to take backup, didn't once or twice so we were knackered when the 'puter went down. But we kept him with same reponsibilities and he never ever made the same mistake.
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I take it you work for an organization that does not operate in a competative environment?
You seem to view such events and remedies as a therapeutic exercise for the culprits.
jhr
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I take it you work for an organization that does not operate in a competative environment?
You seem to view such events and remedies as a therapeutic exercise for the culprits.
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Perhaps he's just an enlightened boss who reckons that everybody makes mistakes and that, so long as the business isn't destroyed in consequence, it might be better to keep someone on and give them another chance? This ensures that when other people cock things up they will report them, rather than try to conceal them - because they know they will be given a fair hearing rather than being fired on the spot. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Can't believe I'm saying this about tcm, who usually comes on like Genghis Khan. I'm obviously drunker than I thought...........
I take it you work for an organization that does not operate in a competative environment?
You seem to view such events and remedies as a therapeutic exercise for the culprits.
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Perhaps he's just an enlightened boss who reckons that everybody makes mistakes and that, so long as the business isn't destroyed in consequence, it might be better to keep someone on and give them another chance? This ensures that when other people cock things up they will report them, rather than try to conceal them - because they know they will be given a fair hearing rather than being fired on the spot. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Can't believe I'm saying this about tcm, who usually comes on like Genghis Khan. I'm obviously drunker than I thought...........
Sailfree
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I agree that we all screw up sometimes and hopefully most of us learn from the experience.
You have seen recent court judgements how much do you think would be awarded against UKSA if they were sued for negligence by someone injured in a hypathetical future accident with their lawyer stating that UKSA employed people with a HISTORY of making mistakes!
I am not saying its right only a risk too far. If you owned UKSA and it was your company and money on the line would you risk it?
You have seen recent court judgements how much do you think would be awarded against UKSA if they were sued for negligence by someone injured in a hypathetical future accident with their lawyer stating that UKSA employed people with a HISTORY of making mistakes!
I am not saying its right only a risk too far. If you owned UKSA and it was your company and money on the line would you risk it?
Sailfree
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Unfortunately I have to side with Napoleon on this one who is reputed to have saidsaid "I did not ask is he a good general - but is he a lucky general!"
Most people make mistakes unfortunately it does seem that a few people make more or have more serious consequences.
Most of the firms I have worked for in construction say you can make one mistake but it WILL be your last one you make here!
Most people make mistakes unfortunately it does seem that a few people make more or have more serious consequences.
Most of the firms I have worked for in construction say you can make one mistake but it WILL be your last one you make here!