genny and air/con heating

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At the boat show I spoke to someone about fitting the above it is a 3.5kw genny and an air con/warm air heating.

Thinking I would do this within a few weeks. Now I find the boat show offer is not there and they have quoted £12,638.

£8365 for the genny
£4273 for air con.

The prices include fitting.

is this about normal or too high, anyone know south coast area a good supplier.
 

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Would that be on a rowing boat or the Queen Mary?

A piece of string question!

Anyone who made a boat show offer and is now withdrawing it should be approached with caution I'd say.

I phoned crusader sails up about 3 weeks after the show and they honoured the quote made at the show, not only that they have bent over backwards to get the new set to me in time for my trip next week!
 

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£4273 for air con.


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That sounds ok to me. I'm assuming two units totalling about 15,000 to 18,000 BTU's. I DIY'ed one unit three years ago for my 37 footer and with all the bits it came to £2,500. I'm in the north Med so didn't need the full wack, (also my pocket didn't go that far!) so 9000 BTU's was ok for me

Did they withdraw the offer or have you just had a mild conversation with them. I bet they are not too busy at present and would be up for a bit of bartering. I bought my bits from a company in the New Forest called Penguinfrigo, they do the excellent Italian Climma units and of course do fitting.
http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/
 
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IMHO, 3.5kw is very borderline to drive even a small a/c unit. How many btu is the a/c unit? Also a 3.5kw gennie is likely to have a high revving (ie 3000rpm) single cylinder engine which is likely to be quite noisy and vibey so make sure it is a good quality well soundproofed unit sited as far away from the accomodation as possible because if it's going to be driving a/c or heating, it's likely to be running for long periods. The price sounds very high for a 3.5kw unit too even if it does include installation. The gennie itself is probably £3-4k and as has already been mentioned, there's a recession out there so there should be some good deals
Try Osmotech for a comparative quote
 

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I did not fit my aircon but this is the solution that someone came up with for my boat.

3 separate aircon units.

3 x 5000 BTU.

I can run any one from my 2.7 kw genny.

Main saloon

or
Galley and centre cabin

or

Master cabin

when on 16amp sure power I tend to only need 2 but if all three are used the power lead gets warm, it really needs 32 amp which is not always available.
 

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I know this isn't the question you asked, but are you planning to keep your boat in the UK, or move abroad? If staying in the UK, reverse cycle air con is not a good solution IMO, as you don't need the aircon, and the water gets too cold for the heating to work properly. Also, if you stay at anchor in the winter, do you want to run the genny all night? Much better off with an eberspacher for the UK IMO.

The genny is still really useful, but if you don't need it to run the aircon/heating, you can fit one of the superlight Paguro 70 kg units, as it wont do many hours, so doesn't need a continuous rating.
 

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I like the idea of 2 smaller units.

They gave me a quote after the show, I rang yesterday to get a copy and confirm and they said it had gone up, I am hunting for the original.

I thought £7k was about right.
 

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If staying in the UK, reverse cycle air con is not a good solution

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....just adding to the question not asked. I (in the Med) also didn't go for reverse cycle but an integral electric element instead. It means the pump doesn't have to run and is practically silent. It's only 2kw which wouldn't be enough in the UK.
 

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but I can run the genny and a small fan heater in the winter to keep warm, the air con is really the good bit.

Im going boating now will try to get Brighton if anyone is near the visitors area come and have a beer, black boat in visitors pontoon.

will reply again Sunday if anyone has any other ideas.

will get emails and your posts to phone to check though
 

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come and have a beer, black boat in visitors pontoon

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Ah, black boat, now I get why you want air con. Have a good weekend, Sunday weather looks very promising.
 

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Im going boating now will try to get Brighton if anyone is near the visitors area come and have a beer, black boat in visitors pontoon.

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Have a good run round but fyi it is foggy here at the moment.


PS Actually I am going to correct myself, it is misty up here where I am (about 4m from the sea) but I just looked at the marina webcam and it's not foggy there. Sorry for poor advice.

Cheers
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I (in the Med) also didn't go for reverse cycle but an integral electric element instead. It means the pump doesn't have to run and is practically silent. It's only 2kw which wouldn't be enough in the UK.

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ooh - thats interesting. I have a diesel fired boiler which drives radiators - but now I'm on unmetered electricity, I'm interested in using an electric element to heat the water/glycol in place of the boiler. Any details on the element you have?
 

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Any details on the element you have?

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It came and is part of the a/c unit . No more than a 2kw fan heater really. However fan heater heating is a bit too dry. We suppliment our heating with an oil filled radiator and it's a much more comfortable and controllerable heat.
 
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