French Lifeboats

[Neeves]

I see a regular criticism of the RNLI and the virtues extolled of the French equivalent. I also see negative comment of the new Shannon class vs its French counterpart.

I sit in Oz and wonder why the constant barrage of criticism of the RNLI and I happened across this short article - which appears to put a slightly different slant on the 2 organisations.

Personally I think both organisations appear superb and are both worthy of support.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...w-say-luxury-boat-owners-too-mean-to-help-out

Jonathan

 

[Deleted member 36384]

If possible, the harbour could add a daily supplement to berthing charges to pay for a new lifeboat. The berth holders can afford it and they are not going to vote with their feet, space is at a premium. Alternatively a door to door collection around the peninsula could earn a few Euros, if you could get anywhere near the doors.

 

[dom]

If possible, the harbour could add a daily supplement to berthing charges to pay for a new lifeboat. The berth holders can afford it and they are not going to vote with their feet, space is at a premium.

Exactly, one of the most annoying feelings is being the mug who paid for everyone else. In fact, game theory suggests that contributing nothing may well be an optimal strategy.

Whack a finite limit tax on, starting at say EUR15 per night for 12m boats rising to say EUR150 per night for 50m+. Effect on occupancy would be zero and problem solved.

 

[Frogmogman]

Blimey Jonathan

You're a brave man, bringing up the subject of the RNLI & the SNSM. You'll mention anchors next.....

 

[macd]

Jonathan: that article and its background is currently under 'debate' in the thread entitled "Pas tout dans le jardin qui présente bien".

 

[Fr J Hackett]

I take it none of you have ever been on a large boat and paid for a dearth in St Tropez. The local joke is that the harbour master is the richest man in St Trop.

 

[dom]

The local joke is that the harbour master is the richest man in St Trop.

Not impervious to ‘an inducement’ - and he doesn’t even hide it!

 

[jordanbasset]

I see a regular criticism of the RNLI and the virtues extolled of the French equivalent. I also see negative comment of the new Shannon class vs its French counterpart.

I sit in Oz and wonder why the constant barrage of criticism of the RNLI and I happened across this short article - which appears to put a slightly different slant on the 2 organisations.

Personally I think both organisations appear superb and are both worthy of support.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...w-say-luxury-boat-owners-too-mean-to-help-out

Jonathan

From the article
'A member of the organisation said they had been looking at the UK’s Royal National Lifeboat Association for inspiration on how to raise funds.
Barsac said: “In France, only 3% of boat owners donate to the lifeboat service, unlike in the UK where I believe it is 85%. People don’t realise it’s different. Now my outburst seems to have woken up people and things are moving. Hopefully, now we will come up with the money for the new boat.”

Perhaps the RNLI can help them out with their management and how to conduct fundraising campaigns, for a fee of course

 

[Deleted member 36384]

I take it none of you have ever been on a large boat and paid for a dearth in St Tropez. The local joke is that the harbour master is the richest man in St Trop.

Have you paid for a large berth in Saint Tropez? Not sure what that has to do with funding the local lifeboat, unless you mean that the fee leaves such a bitter taste that the owner / captain will not contribute to anything else.

This summer, one yacht was rented out at $1millon a day and another was owned by the person behind Microsoft’s Office program, whoes personal fortune is $1.7billion.

I guess non of these people have any affinity with Saint Tropez, just transients, so probably have little empathy with a small, local lifeboat. The exact opposite of the UK system.

Maybe the lifeboat crew should lean on the harbourmaster, maybe he has already donated.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Have you paid for a large berth in Saint Tropez? Not sure what that has to do with funding the local lifeboat, unless you mean that the fee leaves such a bitter taste that the owner / captain will not contribute to anything else.

This summer, one yacht was rented out at $1millon a day and another was owned by the person behind Microsoft’s Office program, whoes personal fortune is $1.7billion.

I guess non of these people have any affinity with Saint Tropez, just transients, so probably have little empathy with a small, local lifeboat. The exact opposite of the UK system.

Maybe the lifeboat crew should lean on the harbourmaster, maybe he has already donated.

Yes I have been on a large motor yacht several times when the captain has "negotiated" a berth.

Yes you probably have right the owners and captains will be very reluctant to dip into their pockets for any extras.

 

[Sailfree]

Yes I have been on a large motor yacht several times when the captain has "negotiated" a berth.

Yes you probably have right the owners and captains will be very reluctant to dip into their pockets for any extras.

I am aware of one expensive charter for business relations arranged by a straight laced Englishman who could not comprehend that having paid a fortune for the charter, a large amount for the berth a large amount had to be reserved to ensure a wayside berth.

It's a known feature of the place.

 

[Neeves]

Jonathan: that article and its background is currently under 'debate' in the thread entitled "Pas tout dans le jardin qui présente bien".

What do you call a man who speaks 3 languages

Trilingual

What do you call a man who speaks 2 languages

Bilingual

What do you call a man who speaks one language



British

A common view amongst those whose mother tongue is not English and (I'm) guilty as charged.


Yes I do like to live dangerously - you do get used to it when a common spider bite here will kill!


It is comforting to know I'm not the only reader of the Guardian!

 

[Neeves]

Blimey Jonathan

You're a brave man, bringing up the subject of the RNLI & the SNSM. You'll mention anchors next.....

I can incorporate the idea - interesting that the new Shannon Class do appear to be equiped with Spade anchors

Jonathan

 

[dom]

I can incorporate the idea - interesting that the new Shannon Class do appear to be equiped with Spade anchors

Jonathan

Good strategy to kick this olde chestnut off from the safety of the Oz outback somewhere!

 

[Sybarite]

I can incorporate the idea - interesting that the new Shannon Class do appear to be equiped with Spade anchors

Jonathan

The French boats use Brittany anchors.

Incidentally I saw a fishing boat with a pantocarene hull leaving Lorient yesterday. It was doing at least twice the speed of the others.

 

[Neeves]

The French boats use Brittany anchors.

Incidentally I saw a fishing boat with a pantocarene hull leaving Lorient yesterday. It was doing at least twice the speed of the others.

Whereas it would be easy to think my post No 13 to suggest I was introducing the design of anchor as a topic of debate - that would be an unkind misinterpretation. The post was actually the fact that the RNLI have chosen a 'French' anchor over their traditional source which previously was Lewmar and Simpson Lawrence. Now that we know what French lifeboats carry - the RNLI appear to have ignored anchor cost in their choice.

In these discussions (on the 2 organisations) there seems an element of jingoism - not followed by the RNLI themselves.

Jonathan

 

[pmagowan]

France does not score highly on the 'world giving index'. About half of the uks score and we are 8th in the world. Although i suspect that most of the people moored there are not French.

For some reason I have never considered 'game theory' when donating to charity.

 

[Sybarite]

France does not score highly on the 'world giving index'. About half of the uks score and we are 8th in the world. Although i suspect that most of the people moored there are not French.

For some reason I have never considered 'game theory' when donating to charity.

I would be interested in seeing your source for that.

Some time ago somebody mentioned how generous the British were in responding to the TV marathon. At that time the French were donating at least 50% more to their event.

 

[pmagowan]

I would be interested in seeing your source for that.

Some time ago somebody mentioned how generous the British were in responding to the TV marathon. At that time the French were donating at least 50% more to their event.

I referenced my source. Type ‘world giving index’ into the search engine of your choice or simply into the box at the top of your screen and the first thing that pops up will be the ‘world giving index’. You can then download a copy of their report. France is in the 60s whereas UK is 8th globally.