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+1 It's nice to see somebody getting some real use out of a boat and that you don't need a megayacht to enjoy the pleasures of cruising.
 

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+1 It's nice to see somebody getting some real use out of a boat and that you don't need a megayacht to enjoy the pleasures of cruising.

We did have a lovely summer in our unexceptional yacht. I occasionally feel sorry for the depth challenged blokes when I see them restricted by their deep keels and propensity to fall over when the water goes away.

For me a Centaur is the ideal size for long periods aboard.
 

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Very nice film. It's a declining way of life, all right. But you can't blame the fishermen totally - they only do it because the rest of us pay to eat what they catch. Tragedy of the Commons.

I agree in part - but every fisherman I have spoken to always blames the government for not stopping the other blokes from fishing - or for stopping them from fishing as much as they want

when you look at those pelagics..... or watch a dredger smashing the seabed to a pulp..... it makes me despair for the future of the marine environment

I am a trained agriculturalist - modern farmers know how to care for their resource to make sure that it lasts

modern fishermen show every sign of either utterly failing to understand or not giving a flying fig
 

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True, but the essential difference between farmers and fishermen is that farmers mostly own their resources (land) and fisherman share a common resource (the sea).

Owning your own means that there is an incentive to look after it for the future, sharing common resources means that it is more rational for an individual to get everything he can, because if he doesn’t, someone else will. Not good for sustainable use of the resource though. That's the Tragedy of the Commons.

I suppose what I am saying is that it is the system to blame, not the individuals.
 

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lovely comment on youtube - these things always make me laugh

baddogonline 1 hour ago · LINKED COMMENT
"Greedy"? You think the fishing industry is greedy? Why is this Marxist attitude so prevalent in the UK? The truth is the fishing industry is filling the demand for all the "greedy" citizens of the UK who demand fish on their plate. You blame the industry and the technology; but, it's your own countrymen who are directly responsible. If you were serious about this, then you'd lobby the UK Parliament to ban the consumption of all meat products, not just fish. Then, all those "poor fish", and other animals, could live in harmony, and all those evil fishermen could go on the Dole, like the other 64% of the UK population. Funny, how you left that part out...
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I am a trained agriculturalist - modern farmers know how to care for their resource to make sure that it lasts

And what is the result of the last few centuries of agiculture - the natural habitat is almost completely stripped away on land (ie natural woodland), and replaced with big squares of monospecies grasses, which we just happen to find attractive as rolling pastures. Oh yes, and they long ago got rid of all the top predators as they had the nasty habit of killing off live stock. And lets not forget farmers overuse of fertilers, and its environmental impact.

Truth is, we need to use the planet to feed ourselves, and that includes the 3/4 that is the oceans. But using it sustainably is the trick - and that doesn't mean condeming sectors as "these people".
 

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And what is the result of the last few centuries of agiculture - the natural habitat is almost completely stripped away on land (ie natural woodland), and replaced with big squares of monospecies grasses, which we just happen to find attractive as rolling pastures. Oh yes, and they long ago got rid of all the top predators as they had the nasty habit of killing off live stock. And lets not forget farmers overuse of fertilers, and its environmental impact.

Truth is, we need to use the planet to feed ourselves, and that includes the 3/4 that is the oceans. But using it sustainably is the trick - and that doesn't mean condeming sectors as "these people".

I sincerely apologise to you and "these people" for saying that the state of the bottom of the Clyde and the Forth is to do with irresponsiblebehaviour.

Come for a bike ride in the ten miles around my house 50 miles from the biggest connurbation in Europe and I will show you a superbly mixed environment alive with thousands upon thousands of species

If the locals merely ran heavy hoes up and down their patch in the hope of scraping up a few gobbets of protein to flog to spain then the countryside would indeed look as you describe it

I just don't see the comparison. The keepers of the land understand a lot more about conservation than the fishermen do.

I am sorry if my film or comments have upset you

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