sandeel
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I wonder could someone explain how to anchor fore and aft in a small sailing yacht with an inboard engine as I believe is required off the beach in Bembridge for example
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fore and aft anchoring
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I always go close in, drop bow anchor, reverse while letting anchor out then drop aft, then pull in bow to take up slack.
Searush
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Be warned that this can be a dodgy procedure in stronger tides!! As tide falls, salck in chains allows boat to twist & can result in a right mess.
Porthandbuoy
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This is where a kedge anchor off the stern, shackled to a reel of webbing, comes in handy.
Lower your kedge/chain/warp/webbing combination and keep going until you're where you want to drop your bow anchor. Fall back as normal (taking care not to wrap webbing around prop) then wind & haul in the webbing until you have the tension/scope you want.
Belay all.
Feel smug if it works.
Lower your kedge/chain/warp/webbing combination and keep going until you're where you want to drop your bow anchor. Fall back as normal (taking care not to wrap webbing around prop) then wind & haul in the webbing until you have the tension/scope you want.
Belay all.
Feel smug if it works.
jerryat
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I always go close in, drop bow anchor, reverse while letting anchor out then drop aft, then pull in bow to take up slack.
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Just shows how diverse people's practices are! I do exactly the opposite!! We suss out our preferred position, come in, drop the kedge, motor forward, drop the bower, then ease back pulling in the kedge rode. Once the bower is set, a burst or three of motor astern to dig it in, then 'centre' the boat as required.
Great, though how different methods work!!
I always go close in, drop bow anchor, reverse while letting anchor out then drop aft, then pull in bow to take up slack.
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Just shows how diverse people's practices are! I do exactly the opposite!! We suss out our preferred position, come in, drop the kedge, motor forward, drop the bower, then ease back pulling in the kedge rode. Once the bower is set, a burst or three of motor astern to dig it in, then 'centre' the boat as required.
Great, though how different methods work!!
Vara
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Bow and largest anchor away from beach would be my preference as well.
Porthandbuoy
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. . . reverse while letting anchor . . . . .
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Assumes you have a boat that steers while going astern. Lucky you.
. . . reverse while letting anchor . . . . .
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Assumes you have a boat that steers while going astern. Lucky you.
jimbaerselman
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I'm puzzled. What are the circumstances when it's useful to have the boat anchored by the bow, with another anchor from the stern (presumably in the opposite direction)?
If you want to moor to survive a turning tide, surely much better to run both anchors from the bow? Lashing the rodes together maybe, and dropping the lashing below the waterline.
If you want to moor to survive a turning tide, surely much better to run both anchors from the bow? Lashing the rodes together maybe, and dropping the lashing below the waterline.
Searush
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The idea is that you will not swing at all. What you suggest will reduce your swing radius, but you will still swing.
It is sometimes a requirement where a mooring area is very narrow. It's a bit like using fore & aft piles or a trot to put a line of boats down the side of a narrow channel - but a lot more dodgy if there is a tidal current!
It is sometimes a requirement where a mooring area is very narrow. It's a bit like using fore & aft piles or a trot to put a line of boats down the side of a narrow channel - but a lot more dodgy if there is a tidal current!
l'escargot
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I'm puzzled. What are the circumstances when it's useful to have the boat anchored by the bow, with another anchor from the stern (presumably in the opposite direction)?
If you want to moor to survive a turning tide, surely much better to run both anchors from the bow? Lashing the rodes together maybe, and dropping the lashing below the waterline.
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When your are mooring at 90 degrees to the beach as opposed to parallel to it, sometimes with the intention of drying out on a sloping beach or to prevent swinging and maximise the number of boats in a limited space. It is more about a rising and falling tide than a turning tide.
Like these in Google Earth:
I'm puzzled. What are the circumstances when it's useful to have the boat anchored by the bow, with another anchor from the stern (presumably in the opposite direction)?
If you want to moor to survive a turning tide, surely much better to run both anchors from the bow? Lashing the rodes together maybe, and dropping the lashing below the waterline.
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When your are mooring at 90 degrees to the beach as opposed to parallel to it, sometimes with the intention of drying out on a sloping beach or to prevent swinging and maximise the number of boats in a limited space. It is more about a rising and falling tide than a turning tide.
Like these in Google Earth:
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I always go close in, drop bow anchor, reverse while letting anchor out then drop aft, then pull in bow to take up slack.
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Just shows how diverse people's practices are! I do exactly the opposite!! We suss out our preferred position, come in, drop the kedge, motor forward, drop the bower, then ease back pulling in the kedge rode. Once the bower is set, a burst or three of motor astern to dig it in, then 'centre' the boat as required.
Great, though how different methods work!!
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Exactly - that way you have complete control over boat in it's natural direction - ahead when doing the anchor work .... the kedge is already deployed to give control of boat as you drop back.
Doing bow first and then kedge IMHO leaves too much possible room for error in boat swinging etc.
As for Bembridge - in fact you can make even easier by doing it at part tide ... drop kedge ... run bow to beach and touch. Boat is now on falling tide and not going anywhere. You can now drop bow anchor over ... walk it up the beach and dig it in by hand. I know to most the next tip will seem obvious - but still I think needs repeating - Always make sure that you beach NOT on top of tide ... always a little less tide so that you are sure that even with less HW range or weather reduced tide HW - you can still get off.
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I always go close in, drop bow anchor, reverse while letting anchor out then drop aft, then pull in bow to take up slack.
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Just shows how diverse people's practices are! I do exactly the opposite!! We suss out our preferred position, come in, drop the kedge, motor forward, drop the bower, then ease back pulling in the kedge rode. Once the bower is set, a burst or three of motor astern to dig it in, then 'centre' the boat as required.
Great, though how different methods work!!
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Exactly - that way you have complete control over boat in it's natural direction - ahead when doing the anchor work .... the kedge is already deployed to give control of boat as you drop back.
Doing bow first and then kedge IMHO leaves too much possible room for error in boat swinging etc.
As for Bembridge - in fact you can make even easier by doing it at part tide ... drop kedge ... run bow to beach and touch. Boat is now on falling tide and not going anywhere. You can now drop bow anchor over ... walk it up the beach and dig it in by hand. I know to most the next tip will seem obvious - but still I think needs repeating - Always make sure that you beach NOT on top of tide ... always a little less tide so that you are sure that even with less HW range or weather reduced tide HW - you can still get off.
sandeel
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thanks to all for your replies especially to lescargot and sbc who have obviously been to the spot I want to visit !!/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
a small point I am not clear on is would you put out the larger bower anchor astern or just use the kedge which in my case is a fishermans.
a small point I am not clear on is would you put out the larger bower anchor astern or just use the kedge which in my case is a fishermans.
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The fishermans is best as the kedge ... as you need to be sure your bower anchor holds.
BUT a Fishermans is not so kind to others ... having that fluke sticking up ready to catch another boats prop etc.
I used to have a small danforth for this job ... which once deployed lays reasonably flat and no problem for others.
Oh - forgot to mention .... the sand on lower section of the beach is pretty soft in places and can be a hard walk through. It's also a good idea to drag the dinghy up the beach a bit in case you miss getting back before tide returns !!
Once you know the channel and where the hump is on the dog-leg ... like me at 90+cms draft on bilge keel - I can get in/out on most states of tide even LW from Visitors pontoon. (Many have called my bluff on this and I've won the bet too many times !)
Good brekkies in cafe next to you ..........
BUT a Fishermans is not so kind to others ... having that fluke sticking up ready to catch another boats prop etc.
I used to have a small danforth for this job ... which once deployed lays reasonably flat and no problem for others.
Oh - forgot to mention .... the sand on lower section of the beach is pretty soft in places and can be a hard walk through. It's also a good idea to drag the dinghy up the beach a bit in case you miss getting back before tide returns !!
Once you know the channel and where the hump is on the dog-leg ... like me at 90+cms draft on bilge keel - I can get in/out on most states of tide even LW from Visitors pontoon. (Many have called my bluff on this and I've won the bet too many times !)
Good brekkies in cafe next to you ..........
Ruffles
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I wonder could someone explain how to anchor fore and aft in a small sailing yacht with an inboard engine as I believe is required off the beach in Bembridge for example
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By Bembridge do you mean Priory Bay? Worth noting that there is a spit that extends parallel with the shore. So as you approach the beach it shallows then gets deeper. Makes it a right pain in a dinghy.
I wonder could someone explain how to anchor fore and aft in a small sailing yacht with an inboard engine as I believe is required off the beach in Bembridge for example
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By Bembridge do you mean Priory Bay? Worth noting that there is a spit that extends parallel with the shore. So as you approach the beach it shallows then gets deeper. Makes it a right pain in a dinghy.
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I don't think so somehow - Bembridge requires f & a anchoring on the beach just inside harbour to port ... Priory bay is as you like it and NOT Bembridge ..
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wooslehunter
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Here's by far the easiest way provided you plan the time. I've done this at Bembridge single handed with no probs. Plan to arrive as the tide is falling and make sure it's not too close to high so you have to wait too long to get off. Nose in to the beach and wait to touch. Let the motor push you on and wait with the motor running until you're firmly aground. It'll only take a few minutes.
Now have a beer, tidy the boat get the dinner on etc. You can walk the bower up the beach when you're ready and pull in tight. When the tide has dropped enough, walk the stern kedge(s) out bed in and pull tight.
Have another beer and settle in.
To get off, it depends on the wind. If you have an offshore wind it's easy. Pull all achors while you're aground. When you get close to comming off, start up and motor off as soon as you float. If you have an onshore wind, you can pull the bower. You need the stern to stop you being blown ashore. Motor back on the stern kedge as soon as you float.
If you have a side wind, you need to pull the anchors as you come off. Rig a trip line to the bower. Once afloat, you can motor back and pull in on the stren and let out on the bower if you need to. Otherwise, let the bower off but pull in the trip or motor back on the trip to pull the bower. Make sure you don't get the stern kedge wrapped up in the prop. Pull the bower and then the stern kedge. With a severe cross or onshore wind a pair of stern kedges set apart can help to stop the sideways movement.
Prepare everything and take time. It works fairly easily. The trick not to forget is the trip line for the bower as you won't be able to motor over it to release it - it's up the beach. Motoring back on the trip line works well to break out the bower. You can pull the whole lot back with the trip line and then sort the main line/chain. Pulling the main warp will result in it re-setting.
Now have a beer, tidy the boat get the dinner on etc. You can walk the bower up the beach when you're ready and pull in tight. When the tide has dropped enough, walk the stern kedge(s) out bed in and pull tight.
Have another beer and settle in.
To get off, it depends on the wind. If you have an offshore wind it's easy. Pull all achors while you're aground. When you get close to comming off, start up and motor off as soon as you float. If you have an onshore wind, you can pull the bower. You need the stern to stop you being blown ashore. Motor back on the stern kedge as soon as you float.
If you have a side wind, you need to pull the anchors as you come off. Rig a trip line to the bower. Once afloat, you can motor back and pull in on the stren and let out on the bower if you need to. Otherwise, let the bower off but pull in the trip or motor back on the trip to pull the bower. Make sure you don't get the stern kedge wrapped up in the prop. Pull the bower and then the stern kedge. With a severe cross or onshore wind a pair of stern kedges set apart can help to stop the sideways movement.
Prepare everything and take time. It works fairly easily. The trick not to forget is the trip line for the bower as you won't be able to motor over it to release it - it's up the beach. Motoring back on the trip line works well to break out the bower. You can pull the whole lot back with the trip line and then sort the main line/chain. Pulling the main warp will result in it re-setting.
jimbaerselman
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When your are mooring at 90 degrees to the beach as opposed to parallel to it, sometimes with the intention of drying out on a sloping beach or to prevent swinging and maximise the number of boats in a limited space. It is more about a rising and falling tide than a turning tide.
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Ah. Familiar with that one. Mediterranean style mooring - anchor off and a line (or lines) to the shore or quay. Agreed. Makes space.
When your are mooring at 90 degrees to the beach as opposed to parallel to it, sometimes with the intention of drying out on a sloping beach or to prevent swinging and maximise the number of boats in a limited space. It is more about a rising and falling tide than a turning tide.
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Ah. Familiar with that one. Mediterranean style mooring - anchor off and a line (or lines) to the shore or quay. Agreed. Makes space.
jimbaerselman
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It is sometimes a requirement where a mooring area is very narrow. It's a bit like using fore & aft piles or a trot to put a line of boats down the side of a narrow channel - but a lot more dodgy if there is a tidal current
[/ QUOTE ] Hmm. Don't like that at all - as you imply, with any current from astern there will be a lot of yawing, I suspect even more lateral movement than if you moored with both anchors to the bow.
It is sometimes a requirement where a mooring area is very narrow. It's a bit like using fore & aft piles or a trot to put a line of boats down the side of a narrow channel - but a lot more dodgy if there is a tidal current
[/ QUOTE ] Hmm. Don't like that at all - as you imply, with any current from astern there will be a lot of yawing, I suspect even more lateral movement than if you moored with both anchors to the bow.
l'escargot
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When your are mooring at 90 degrees to the beach as opposed to parallel to it, sometimes with the intention of drying out on a sloping beach or to prevent swinging and maximise the number of boats in a limited space. It is more about a rising and falling tide than a turning tide.
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Ah. Familiar with that one. Mediterranean style mooring - anchor off and a line (or lines) to the shore or quay. Agreed. Makes space.
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Here's a couple on the beach at the location in question:
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When your are mooring at 90 degrees to the beach as opposed to parallel to it, sometimes with the intention of drying out on a sloping beach or to prevent swinging and maximise the number of boats in a limited space. It is more about a rising and falling tide than a turning tide.
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Ah. Familiar with that one. Mediterranean style mooring - anchor off and a line (or lines) to the shore or quay. Agreed. Makes space.
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Here's a couple on the beach at the location in question: