Fleetwood Marina - Is a Lift Out possible?

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For reasons I'll explain elsewhere, I may want to move from Glasson Dock, and could do with being lifted out and stored on the hard for a few weeks maybe.

Is this possible at Fleetwood, (Rogue is about 14 tonnes, 13.1m x 4.2m x 1.5m).

Or Preston?

If not, it looks like Liverpool, if I want to be an easy drive from Manchester through the winter.

Many Thanks

Richard
 
Oops! Whats happened? I was about to suggest Glasson!!

My brothers boat is there, is there something we should know??
 
The marina features 300 berths ranging from a minimum 7m up to a maximum of 17m. There is also a dry berthing facility which is secured by a 2m chainlink fence and is floodlit during hours of darkness. Those wishing to remove their boat from the water may do so by means of a 15 tonne capacity mobile crane or a slipway.

It worked when I was last there!
 
Last spring, a friend of a friend who was berthed at F'wood took his boat to Whitehaven for a lift out, which seems to indicate it wasn't possible there
 
Richard10002 said:
For reasons I'll explain elsewhere, I may want to move from Glasson Dock, and could do with being lifted out and stored on the hard for a few weeks maybe.

Is this possible at Fleetwood, (Rogue is about 14 tonnes, 13.1m x 4.2m x 1.5m).

Or Preston?

If not, it looks like Liverpool, if I want to be an easy drive from Manchester through the winter.

Many Thanks

Richard
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So much has changed recently at Fleetwood. Facilities are a thousand times better (like all places there is still room for improvement) including their new travel hoist which will lift just about any boat you throw at it! Security is now very good.

Give them a ring and speak to Pete Smith...
 
ccscott49 said:
Oops! Whats happened? I was about to suggest Glasson!!

My brothers boat is there, is there something we should know??
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Nothing to worry about except that, if you market and sell your boat privately at Glasson, they charge a "Sale on Berth" Fee. When I arrived in August I thought it was 1%, (which I could live with), but have had a letter advising that it is now 5%.

Cheers

Richard
 
I doubt it is legal. I would refer them to the Office of Fair Trading. It is not normal to hold peoples property as hostage without supplying any services.

There are other areas that a company holds property for another, as a service. Do you expect to pay a storage company a percentage if you sell your office furniture while it is stored there? Yes, you might pay for an admin charge to take over the storage but nothing on the property.

If you park your car in a city centre while you receive a call about a buyer for it, does the council take a cut?

If you rent a unfurnished house, and while there, sell some of YOUR furniture, does the landlord get his bit? In fact while renting a house and running a small business does the landlord have a right to part of your profits? I doubt it. So why should a boat be any different?

I assume you are renting a berth of a certain size. If there was no boat on it would they still ask for a rent? If so, then the boat is not part of the deal. Especially since most contracts are taken out while the boat is some place else. As long as you pay for their service and the new owner organizes to take over of the berth, or the temporary period before it is moved, there should be no other charges.

What would happen if you went sailing, and the boat was wrecked, and the insurance company paid for a new boat? Will you be allowed to return to your berth? Is the boat part of the deal?

Someone really should put a stop to this idea of demanding money for no service!
 
halfway said:
I doubt it is legal. I would refer them to the Office of Fair Trading. It is not normal to hold peoples property as hostage without supplying any services.
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There's a chance it's an unfair contract term between a bsiness and a consumer. However, I'm not up for a legal battle with the resources of British Waterways.

I'd rather get out from under and deal with a more reasonable provider, (assuming there is one! )

Cheers

Richard
 
Richard10002 said:
There's a chance it's an unfair contract term between a bsiness and a consumer. However, I'm not up for a legal battle with the resources of British Waterways.

I'd rather get out from under and deal with a more reasonable provider, (assuming there is one! )

Cheers

Richard
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A wise move. A search of the forum history will reveal that you maybe on a sticky wicket, and all sorts of ddodgy propsals to get round the issue have been suggested, but rarely actually tested. If it's part of the T&Cs when you sign on for a berth, its an agreement.

Wish you well Richard.
 
Tomsk said:
So much has changed recently at Fleetwood. Facilities are a thousand times better (like all places there is still room for improvement) including their new travel hoist which will lift just about any boat you throw at it! Security is now very good.

Give them a ring and speak to Pete Smith...
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I often like to have a bit of info in advance of making an approach like this... not sure why, but forewarned is forearmed, and all that.

Spoken to Pete now... reasonable deal for 6 months. 70 tonne lift, (only 6 months old), 10 new cradles being delivered over next 30 days or so, and no charges if you sell your boat privately or through a broker.

Off to talk to Glasson about it next week. If they wont waive the penalty, in writing, I'll be moving in January/February, assuming a suitable weather window for the short hop.
 
I quote form my marina "Rules of the Marina"

"As per British Marine Federation policy, a yard commission is payable to the company immediately upon the sale of any vessel in respect of which the company has a valid berthing contract, whether or not the vessel is sold within the marina. The owner shall, unless otherwise agreed in advance in writing by the company, pay the company commission at a rate of 1% of the sale price, together with VAT thereon if applicable."

Like anyone I object to paying any commission to someone doing nothing. The bit I really object to is, if you are an annual berther and have removed you boat for a few months in winter to say home on a trailer to work on it and sell her while out of marina, you will have to pay commission.

The reading of this rule leads me to believe that if I was a 6 month summer berther then the vessel would only have a valid berthing contract during the summer and a sale in this case would not attract a commission charge.
 
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