Fishing boat nearly runs me down!!!

[fishermantwo]

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Nothing new in what you say fishing boats seem to have rules we don`t know about.

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This is probably the most correct of all the replies.

In the incident related its obvious the fishing boat did not see the yacht sailing with just a No 2. The correct manouvre is to avoid an accident, no point in being dead and correct.

In Australia vessels have to keep 150 meters clear of a fishing vessel engaged in fishing operations. Even so I still have to dodge boats every day. Maxi yachts travelling well over 20 knots at night with a delivery crew is the worst scenario.

 

[SirSnoozalot]

As an ex fisherman, I have been on boats where the skippers were meticulous and highly professional seamen. I have also been on boats which were more lax in their approach. As a youngster, one vessel I was on frightened the life out of me, when, in a F10 the whole crew turned in to their bunks, left the 450 tonne vessel hulling with the wheel tied with rope. No one on the bridge at all. Apart from me, left with the instruction to wake the Mate if anything happened. I was glad to get off that boat. In retrospect, and, to a certain degree at the time, I can see and agree that while trawling was a job with inherrent dangers, a lot were self-induced, and many "accidents" as they were called, were in fact "negligents" However, I worked on some very well run, well maintained vessels too. Like in everything in life: theres good and bad. Same with Mobos and the same with raggies.

 

[Impaler]

Well I met a trawler off Banff last year and he called me up on the radio and very politely (no sarcasm) asked me if I'd mind altering course to stbd as he was planning to alter his course to stbd. We gave eachother a cheery wave.

 

[WindFinder]

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Put your hand on your heart and ask yourself if you would do the same next time. Or would you alter course to avoid the situation? Hand on heart now

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Yes I bludy would......where did you expect me to go.......if the IRPCS are to be of any use we must ALL abide by them

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Here lies the body of Sammy Jay,
Who died defending his right of way.
He was in the right as he went along,
But he's just as dead as if he was wrong.


There's nothing in the IRPCS to prevent you from moving away into safety.

As somone else has said, respect for naming the vessel. Even though you chose not to avoid it at least others will be able to now.

 

[jimmynoboat]

A few unexpected laughs even though it's a very serious subject (toilet flashers & WAFIs).

It's a tough one. On the roads these days we have to do the driving for ourselves and for the idiots who, probably think they are great drivers but only survive because others are looking out for them and taking avoiding action ... I think it is the same on the seas.

We must apply the rules or there will be mayhem. But we must know when to abandon the 'rights' they give us or there will be carnage.

 

[starboard]

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There's nothing in the IRPCS to prevent you from moving away into safety.

As somone else has said, respect for naming the vessel. Even though you chose not to avoid it at least others will be able to now.

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I put this to you, what do we do then, spend the rest of our sailing lives running away from fishing vessels....at all times I had the situation under control, at a distance of 2 miles I had spotted the potential conflict, at 1 mile it was still a conflict but I reckoned on the guy seeing me and passing close by as our fishing fleet normally do here at Troon. At 0.5nm it was still a conflict, you now say I should take action but as stand on vessel that may then confuse the fishing boat............it is not until you get into a very close quarter situation do you realise that he probably has not seen you......my action was to give a sound warning and at the last minute was prepared to alter course drastically, the sound warning had the effect and brought someone to the wheelhouse!! This situation differs from 2 boats crossing or converging, then it would have been easy for me to alter a few degrees either here or there and always will do at an early opportunity therefore always remaining in control of the situation....in this case the vessel was steaming up behind me, you feel very vunerable with now where really to hide!!

Paul.

 

[WindFinder]

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I put this to you, what do we do then, spend the rest of our sailing lives running away from fishing vessels

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Yup. Where possible I always 'run away from' (or 'avoid' as I like to call it) dangerous situations. Everyone else I know does the same. Yes, killing you might have taught them a lesson they'd never forget but there are other ways they could learn the same lesson.

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....at all times I had the situation under control

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You must have felt you'd put yourself in danger or you wouldn't have been "pretty shaken"?

If you really feel there was no danger then fair enough - just call whoever enforces the IRPCS (does anyone?) and tell them you've seen a Fishing Boat with no lookout. Don't pretend there was some massive drama that didn't really exist.

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as stand on vessel that may then confuse the fishing boat......

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Buls*1t. If you're on a collision course with a boat you're overtaking how much confusion can it cause if it moves out of your way? Indeed if you're really that confused you just stop and watch the situation develop.

 

[jonjo]

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if the IRPCS are to be of any use we must ALL abide by them and fully understand them

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I can understand the anger about this fishing boat and the tone of your initial post. However it is absurd to try and maintain a logical argument that you navigated as prescribed in IRPCS. The ColRegs do not compel you to maintain a collision course to the point where collision avoidance becomes a chance outcome determined by the roll of a dice in the final 20 seconds.

 

[WindFinder]

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The ColRegs do not compel you to maintain a collision course to the point where collision avoidance becomes a chance outcome determined by the roll of a dice in the final 20 seconds.

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Although it would make sailing far more exciting if they did!

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[chrishelen]

Me too,what is it they say about rules?

 

[Wansworth]

Beware small coasters as well,a watch keeper couldbe absent from the wheelhouse as they are oiling the engine,making tea and toast in the galley or readinf the newspaoer or having a pee or number twosOR they could actually could be i the wheelhouse ,asleep,doing a crossword or looking intently in the radar...that does not pick up the mark of your boat.

 

[SirSnoozalot]

Beware single-handed yachtsmen - for exactly same reasons as above.

 

[ShipsWoofy]

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This all reminds me of a yachting racers dream, 'the protest meeting' where everyone has a complete insight into any and every situation, they can speak for each skipper with complete and unfaltering knowledge of what that skipper actually saw.

scary!

 

[starboard]

I take it then most on are here are happy to see the rules broken???....or maybe that is the view only of the Birmingham Navy that spend more time with their nose in the yachting magazine's than actually getting a few sea miles in!!

take care.

Paul.

 

[Loginname]

I don't think that anyone has said that the fishing boat was right. From what you have said it was clearly in the wrong.
However, ColRegs are clear; even if you are the stand on vessel, you are also obliged to take avoiding action. You are not required to hold your course no matter what the consequences.

For all you knew the skipper may have had a heart attack and was lying on his wheelhouse floor, whilst his crew worked on, oblivious to the danger.

The Birmingham Navy comment is not worthy of response.

 

[WindFinder]

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I take it then most on are here are happy to see the rules broken???

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Yup.

If a fishing boat isn't paying attention and is about to wipe me out, yet making a minor change of course which breaks the IRPCS saves my boat and my life than I'm more than happy.

Of course, I don't accept that changing course pre-collision breaks the IRPCS; but if it does so be it. Better to breach some rules and be alive than be blameless and dead.

I respect your POV though. Losing your life for something you believe in is worthy of great respect. I will be the first to stand over yor grave honouring you as a first class IRPCS obeyer.

Of course the fishermen in the 1000 ton boat won't even know they hit you.

 

[jonjo]

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or maybe that is the view only of the Birmingham Navy

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We are just having fun teasing the Glasgow Navy which seems to go hunting for a long lost foghorn in the bilges on the rare occasion a vessel larger than a common seal is spotted.

You should try a helming a yacht during a summer weekend in the Solent, we softy southerners have to make many such ColReg calls a day.

 

[SirSnoozalot]

It isnt a case of being happy to see the IRPCS rules broken. Its a case of common sense and survival. Clearly the fishing boat was wrong. But if you were in your car and someone pulled out in front of you on a roundabout, you'd brake. The other guy would be in the wrong, but you dont just steam into the side of him because of it.

 

[peterb]

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But if you were in your car and someone pulled out in front of you on a roundabout, you'd brake.

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I did. Van behind me ran into me, did £3000 of damage. He had false number plates and insurance certificate; the bus that pulled out just carried on. Next time I'll hit the bus, it'll be cheaper.

Not a good example to give!

 

[starboard]

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You should try a helming a yacht during a summer weekend in the Solent, we softy southerners have to make many such ColReg calls a day.

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And I am sure you enjoy every minute of it???...not. In that respect we are spoiled here on the west coast of Scotland, the best sailing area in the whole wide world without a doubt,but please don't tell anyone about it!!

To those have responded many thanks,after spending most of my 50 odd years messing around in boats you never stop learning,this forum contributes to that learning process, and if people can learn from the experiance's of others we can all be better sailors from it!!

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