Filming bad behaviour by other boaters

[dylanwinter]

your thoughts would be welcome

 

[FWB]

I would be sick of looking at reels and reels of mobos.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

What do you mean by "bad"?

Criminal behaviour may be worth filming for evidence purposes but anti social behaviour I wouldn't want to film; nor examples of poor seamanship.

 

[stevebrassett]

Good God, no. I don't want my c*ck-ups recorded for posterity.

 

[[70521]]

Good God, no. I don't want my c*ck-ups recorded for posterity.

That's the role of the RNLI!

 

[Tomahawk]

Good God, no. I don't want my c*ck-ups recorded for posterity.

These days ther is always someone with a camera to film your mistakes... Indeed thre is a whole section on UTube of mooring errors.... Mostly seem to be MOBO's for some odd reason

 

[oldvarnish]

Nothing wrong with filming it; the problem is drawing conclusions from it. The pictures only tell part of the story. You don't know how many other factors are coming into play, such as jammed rudders/stalled engines/nervous breakdowns/bad temper... and all the other things that are part of moving a boat from A to B and which aren't covered in the Yachtmaster syllabus.

 

[dylanwinter]

you are talking of accidents

Nothing wrong with filming it; the problem is drawing conclusions from it. The pictures only tell part of the story. You don't know how many other factors are coming into play, such as jammed rudders/stalled engines/nervous breakdowns/bad temper... and all the other things that are part of moving a boat from A to B and which aren't covered in the Yachtmaster syllabus.

I agreee when it comes to accidents

I assume that accidents do happen more often to incompetant people than to competent ones

although I might be wrong on this

should you avoid filming incompetence?

so if you see some-one coming into a dock way too fast and you are too far away to do anything to intervene then would filming it be a bad thing to do

would it be immoral?

should you seek permission from the person first before posting the film on the web?

I agree though that a bit of context on what at first site seems like bad behaviour might help

because not everything is as it seems through the lens

but I would say that the video does a better jogb of capturing behaviour

I assume these chaps have a very good reason for their haste through the moorings at West Mersea

and to film them and put them on the web was immoral? Almost as bad as swearing on camera?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYYMHp5KLq0

 

[Poignard]

'your thoughts would be welcome '

Get a life

 

[Vara]

As long as you stay away from Dover and Northern France, I think it's a really good idea.

 

[jerrytug]

*All* my behaviour is bad to some nosey parker or other,and these days every council jobsworth and his dog are pointing cameras. So I would stick to KTL or you might be wearing your little video where the makers never intended.

 

[Georgio]

To put a slightly different slant on it, if you think there is going to be an incident where people or property is damaged then a film can be a very good thing to prove what actually happened to an insurance company, the police or boat owner.

 

[Tam Lin]

Great idea - you have gone past the Blackwater, haven't you?

 

[LadyInBed]

Are you thinking of trying to make money out of it?

 

[Rigger Mortice]

There are so many cameras around nowadays that I wouldn't be worried about it.

If somebody wants to post footage of somebody being a **** on a boat then I would have no problem with it. If the **** objects then he may learn something about his own behaviour.

If somebody starts routinely posting footage of others in a judgmental way then it may be he who has the problem.

 

[dylanwinter]

No

Are you thinking of trying to make money out of it?

good point - does that change things?

what about if the bad behaviour is put on the web for free in the interest of public information

if it is on youtube then it is unlikely that the person who posted the film will make money unless they are signed into adsense

Google will make money from it for sure

but there are other vidoe sharing sites where there is no revenue stream?

should this famous film of the yacht and the ship have been posted on the web?

should the camera operator have turned his lens away when he saw that situation starting to develop?

should he have only made the film available to the harbour master?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUoUxzt9sI

Dylan

 

[LadyInBed]

good point - does that change things?

IMO Yes.

what about if the bad behaviour is put on the web for free in the interest of public information

Salacious interest of public information - Bad idea.
Educational (with commentary) interest of public information - Good idea.

 

[st599]

should you avoid filming incompetence?

would it be immoral?

should you seek permission from the person first before posting the film on the web?

No. Most fun films of sailing trips wouldn't be made - the one of a skipper on the phone walking off the end of the finger pontoon is my greatest ever.

No, there is no right to privacy in a public place. Provided you don't enter into the realms of harassment (which has to include filming someone on multiple occasions).

God no, where would that end? Next you'll be wanting model releases.

 

[dylanwinter]

so

IMO Yes.


Salacious interest of public information - Bad idea.
Educational (with commentary) interest of public information - Good idea.

good to have firm lines

so

which side of the line is the solent pink spinnaker shot?

slacious or educational

I for one feel that seeing it happen makes me much more cautious around ships

when the thing w\s shot there were people who suggested that it should never have been shown?

 

[LadyInBed]

which side of the line is the solent pink spinnaker shot?

I don't know, as I haven't seen it.
Is it the link you put on the previous reply? I haven't looked at it.