Fairline Targa 48 review in September's MBY

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Looks nice - but £650k! Wow. And interestingly, materially worse fuel consumption (on IPS) than the outgoing Targa 47 (on shafts). Shame there aren't any interior photos yet.

I'm looking forward to seeing the boat in the flesh though, apparently it's doing a grand tour of the south coast next month, including Brighton on 11 August.

Cheers
Jimmy
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Looks nice - but £650k! Wow. And interestingly, materially worse fuel consumption (on IPS) than the outgoing Targa 47 (on shafts). Shame there aren't any interior photos yet.

I'm looking forward to seeing the boat in the flesh though, apparently it's doing a grand tour of the south coast next month, including Brighton on 11 August.

Cheers
Jimmy
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Go on........you know you want to. :rolleyes::D
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Looks nice - but £650k! Wow. And interestingly, materially worse fuel consumption (on IPS) than the outgoing Targa 47 (on shafts). Shame there aren't any interior photos yet.

I'm looking forward to seeing the boat in the flesh though, apparently it's doing a grand tour of the south coast next month, including Brighton on 11 August.

Cheers
Jimmy
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Not when Henry buys it for you;)
£450k surely?
 
Er, I'm still in July, and not wishing to speed this excellent Summer away ! Can't believe MBY have September edition out already. I assume they are preparing their SIBS stand tomorrow !
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Looks nice - but £650k! Wow. And interestingly, materially worse fuel consumption (on IPS) than the outgoing Targa 47 (on shafts). Shame there aren't any interior photos yet.
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I think the idea is that as Sterling continues to weaken against other currencies, they just increase their prices accordingly! The fuel consumption is also worse than my old Targa 48 which could hit the same top speed (32kts) and yet achieved over 1mpg. The weight of both boats are similar too at 12-13t so I don't understand why the new boat isn't significantly more frugal, especially considering it uses IPS.
Do you get a poverty spec version of MBY or something? There are interior photos in my copy and the interior does look very nice, especially the midships master cabin which, of course, is a direct result of IPS. Is it worth £650k though? No, seems like an awful lot of money to me especially when the Princess V48 seems to be a lot cheaper and comes with the IPS600 engines too although only a direct comparison of the spec sheets would give a fair comparison
 
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I think the idea is that as Sterling continues to weaken against other currencies, they just increase their prices accordingly! The fuel consumption is also worse than my old Targa 48 which could hit the same top speed (32kts) and yet achieved over 1mpg. The weight of both boats are similar too at 12-13t so I don't understand why the new boat isn't significantly more frugal, especially considering it uses IPS.
Do you get a poverty spec version of MBY or something? There are interior photos in my copy and the interior does look very nice, especially the midships master cabin which, of course, is a direct result of IPS. Is it worth £650k though? No, seems like an awful lot of money to me especially when the Princess V48 seems to be a lot cheaper and comes with the IPS600 engines too although only a direct comparison of the spec sheets would give a fair comparison
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The interior shots (in my inferior south coast copy) are all just renders, not your actual photographs.

The extras price list is a bit hair-raising - £35k for aircon and generator; £1k for a skylight blind. As you say, it'll be interesting to see a price comparison with the V48 open.

Cheers
Jimmy
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
The interior shots (in my inferior south coast copy) are all just renders, not your actual photographs.

The extras price list is a bit hair-raising - £35k for aircon and generator; £1k for a skylight blind. As you say, it'll be interesting to see a price comparison with the V48 open.

Cheers
Jimmy
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Umm, yes you're right they are renderings. Sorry. That'll teach me for not bothering with my reading specs. Yup, seems like Fairline have been learning from German car makers when it comes to fleecing customers on options. I see you have to pay extra for the winch and rollers for the standard tender garage!
 
It will have to go some to beat the Princess V48 which is cheaper according to the list prices.

No need for renderings of it inside either as I managed to get some spy shots in the dead of night at Swanwick.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?360594-Princess-V48-photos-and-review

Well actually I walked onboard at the Swanwick boat show :)

Princess have, or certainly had a stock V48 available last week, never a better time to buy ;)

Theses sports boats do look great. Looks wise we kept getting drawn back to the Princess V52 but my pipe and slippers dictated the need for a flybridge.......

Oh to have Jimmy's youth !

Henry
 
henryf said:
It will have to go some to beat the Princess V48 which is cheaper according to the list prices.

No need for renderings of it inside either as I managed to get some spy shots in the dead of night at Swanwick.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?360594-Princess-V48-photos-and-review

Well actually I walked onboard at the Swanwick boat show :)

Princess have, or certainly had a stock V48 available last week, never a better time to buy ;)

Theses sports boats do look great. Looks wise we kept getting drawn back to the Princess V52 but my pipe and slippers dictated the need for a flybridge.......

Oh to have Jimmy's youth !

Henry
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Have you met Jimmy's yoof? :)
 
henryf said:
It will have to go some to beat the Princess V48 which is cheaper according to the list prices.

No need for renderings of it inside either as I managed to get some spy shots in the dead of night at Swanwick.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?360594-Princess-V48-photos-and-review

Well actually I walked onboard at the Swanwick boat show :)

Princess have, or certainly had a stock V48 available last week, never a better time to buy ;)

Theses sports boats do look great. Looks wise we kept getting drawn back to the Princess V52 but my pipe and slippers dictated the need for a flybridge.......

Oh to have Jimmy's youth !

Henry
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The direct comparison for the T48 Open will be the V48 Open, which I don't think other than top line info is available in any real detail? I suspect we all hope it will look a little more sporty than the V48 Closed version launched at the Swanwick show a few months back. In my view it would be great if some of the roof height was taken down and the lines to the stern looked a little more pleasing to the eye, with the addition of the sun pad. Looking forward to seeing how they work this in, as talking to lots of people, it seems the height put many off?
With regard to the T48, haven't been on board so far, but from the MBY article it has some really nice points and then some feature which look like they've taken a major step backwards in terms of design and quality, which was really disappointing for me. An example is the helm station, not very practice as I think the MBY article points out and it just looks a bit tacky as an afterthought, something I would have expected to see on a much lower quality French built boat, the handheld for the VHF looks like its been hung as an afterthought on the side rather than carefully thought-out. Compare the quality of this helm station and seating to the out going T47 and for me its nowhere near as good. I'm also no so keen on the space between the backrest of the aft seating and the start of the sun pad, I prefer this to be at the same level as Princess do so well. MPG???, begs the question given they've mounted the engines more forward than usual of the Pods anyway, why didn't they just go for shafts as per the T47?
Having said all that, I'm sure there are many other nice features, so will have to wait to pass full judgement, until I've seen it in the flesh.
 
I really like the new Fairline 48 Targa Open, on paper, photos, and videos looks very nice.

Pity about the price -50k would have made it a top seller..... Considering this hull will be used for three boats, may be they could have worked it out cheaper....
 
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Illusion said:
The direct comparison for the T48 Open will be the V48 Open, which I don't think other than top line info is available in any real detail? I suspect we all hope it will look a little more sporty than the V48 Closed version launched at the Swanwick show a few months back. In my view it would be great if some of the roof height was taken down and the lines to the stern looked a little more pleasing to the eye, with the addition of the sun pad. Looking forward to seeing how they work this in, as talking to lots of people, it seems the height put many off?
With regard to the T48, haven't been on board so far, but from the MBY article it has some really nice points and then some feature which look like they've taken a major step backwards in terms of design and quality, which was really disappointing for me. An example is the helm station, not very practice as I think the MBY article points out and it just looks a bit tacky as an afterthought, something I would have expected to see on a much lower quality French built boat, the handheld for the VHF looks like its been hung as an afterthought on the side rather than carefully thought-out. Compare the quality of this helm station and seating to the out going T47 and for me its nowhere near as good. I'm also no so keen on the space between the backrest of the aft seating and the start of the sun pad, I prefer this to be at the same level as Princess do so well. MPG???, begs the question given they've mounted the engines more forward than usual of the Pods anyway, why didn't they just go for shafts as per the T47?
Having said all that, I'm sure there are many other nice features, so will have to wait to pass full judgement, until I've seen it in the flesh.
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By height I presume you mean free board to the gunwale. The answer is they will have to get used to it. With the desire for full beam cabins and more room the hull has to get taller. As an owner it doesn't actually make things any harder, you just need to develop different techniques for mooring. There is a perceived increase in overall length but of course the boat still fits into the same slot.

When I saw the V48 at Swanwick it was impossible to get a decent shot from outside due to the nature of where it was berthed.

Henry :)
 
henryf said:
By height I presume you mean free board to the gunwale. The answer is they will have to get used to it. With the desire for full beam cabins and more room the hull has to get taller. As an owner it doesn't actually make things any harder, you just need to develop different techniques for mooring. There is a perceived increase in overall length but of course the boat still fits into the same slot.

When I saw the V48 at Swanwick it was impossible to get a decent shot from outside due to the nature of where it was berthed.

Henry :)
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I do not agree with this statement. IMO boats are becoming ugly with the current high freeboards especially when you see them in the water.
They are nice on brochures and on the dry, see them at sea and out of proportion starts to be the case.
Now I always like high freeboard, but the latest trends are out of touch.
As for full beam cabins being the culprit of this, one of the first yachts with a midships master cabin was the Azimut 55 and is freeboard is just right, IMO.
Yes latest models have higher freeboards, with larger full beam cabins but to what price....

all IMO :)
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
I do not agree with this statement. IMO boats are becoming ugly with the current high freeboards especially when you see them in the water.
They are nice on brochures and on the dry, see them at sea and out of proportion starts to be the case.
Now I always like high freeboard, but the latest trends are out of touch.
As for full beam cabins being the culprit of this, one of the first yachts with a midships master cabin was the Azimut 55 and is freeboard is just right, IMO.
Yes latest models have higher freeboards, with larger full beam cabins but to what price....

all IMO :)
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To a degree you are right.. Especially on the smaller boats where it's exaggerated.. Do you not think it's simply a case of trying to satisfy the customers ever increasing need for more and more internal space? Making smaller boats (LOA) feel like bigger boats.. The only options designers have is to go higher and wider (with the corresponding drop in efficiency)..

In general I see boats as primarily luxurious holiday apartments that happen to float and move around.. Not many boats (with accommodation) are boats first and accommodation second now.. With all the luxurious trimmings it also means more weight and again a drop in efficiency..

So my point is really that it's boaters (as a collective) that are shaping the new boats not the manufacturers.. The customer is always right remember.. :)
 
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