F37 again

[dturr]

Anyone advise on what to look out for on F37, we need more room better sleeping for weekends and ability to extend season. Flybridge seems best and I like the layout in the F36 F37. One in particular has KAD 43 which I have in my Jeanneau.
Or any other recommendations for me. Will spend up tp £150k.

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[jfm]

Hmm. I'd get a 2001ish Fairline Phantom 38. Shaft drives with 63P engines, so better in that respect imho, and a much better more sociable flybridge layout imho. I think they're similar prices

But this is all down to personal preference, so get the boat you like. While shaft drive has some advantages the Sealine will do the same performance with less HP therefore better mpg.

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[Renegade_Master]

jfm the F36 & F37 are shaft drives. Dont think you'll get a 2001 Phantom 38 for 150k, maybe wrong.

I can report on my F36, which we use for a school boat. She takes most things we throw at her like 3-4 people staying aboard each week, engines in use 4-5 days a week, including a night cruise.

Also including lots of in-out gears during boat handling. Only major prob to date was a Volvo problem not Sealine (KAMD43's) Apart that is from a leak into the aft of the cabin from the flybridge. However you are talking about a boat which has done over 2000 hours in its short hard life.

Clive

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Agree with jfm. If you can stretch to a Fairline P38, they're excellent boats and you'll get bigger engines, always worth having
On the other hand, the F36/37 is reputed to be one of Sealine's best seaboats and Motor Boat Monbthly ran both the F36 and F37 as their own magazine boats and indeed did a circumnavigation of the UK in the F36. I think the only thing to watch out for is valve adjustment on the KAD42/43 series engines which needs to have been regularly checked
For £150k, you've got a wide choice of used boats. Sealine's own 420/F44 and 410/F43 are significantly bigger than the F37 but will obviously be older for the same money. Have a look also at the Fairline Phantom 40 or Princess 38

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[stellican]

Phantom 38 is longer, heavier and designed by the leading Naval architect for this type of boat, Makes for better seakeeping. I have driven both over long journeys and have found the Fairline better. Dont overlook the Princess 38

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[KevB]

Personally I prefer these Boats. Much nicer looking than both the Fairline and Sealine. IMHO

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[ArthurWood]

Doesn't the Ph 38 have a ladder to the flybridge? That would be a big no-no for me.

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[jfm]

Sorry Suncoast, didn't realise they were shaft drives.

In which case doesn't that make the P38 the better boat in the engine department? I mean, it has more hp and - I would have thought - a stronger slow revving engine that is more suited to a long life? But F37 probly has better mpg

I dunno prices, before making my post I quickly googled and it seemed the used p38s and F37s from about the 1999/2000 era were almost same price, and in fact all had higher asking prices than the 150k budget mentioned

Everyone has slightly biased views here. When it is a question of which boat you like, you can decide for yourself as capriciously as you like. I admit, I just prefer the Fairline, not necessarily for objective reasons! I dont dislike the F37, and it is an example of sealine's big improvement over their previous generation of ali-window-framed boats. We're therefore debating between 2 fine boats, a nice problem to have

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[jfm]

flybr stairs rather than ladders

Good point Arthur. Flybr stairs is a must-have on the shopping list if budget allows. The F37 and Phantom 38 both have stairs, not ladders. The princess 38 does too, I think

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Dont think so, Arthur. The latest version of the Phantom 38, now discontinued I think, has a stairway.The older Phantom 37 has a ladder which, as you say is a big no-no for me as well

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

The P38 is defonitely the better boat IMHO. I dont think its that much bigger inside but, in current Fairline style, the hull is extended right to the back of the bathing platform unlike the F37. This would mean that the waterline length could be 3-4' longer which would make a significant difference to how comfortable the boat would be in a head sea. I'm sure the P38 is heavier which would help as well. Also, I would prefer a relatively slow revving engine like the 63P to the higher revving KAD 42/43/44 for the sake of longevity
But I think, year for year, the P38 has got to be 20-30% more expensive so you get what you pay for, I guess

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[gcwhite]

If you equate boats to cars Sealine are the Skoda, Princess Jaguars, Fairline Mercs & Sunseeker Bently.

The Sealine flybridge is very poor. At first sight it looks ok but about 50% is devoted to sunbed only and can't be used for anything else. The guard rails are also almost useless being about 1ft high compared to the others at about 4ft

In my experience Fairline build a much better quality boat than Sealine (I have had both) and the sea keeping of the Fairline is far superior. Rememder MBY's review of the S42 where they recommended sacking the laminating operative?



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[dturr]

Thanks to you all, if any of you are better with a PC than me point me towards a P38 or Princess 38 at £150k. Budget is about at max and simply want the best I can get for that. As weekends are recovery time a good bed is important and the ability to not be under canvas at evening is a must. Many thanks and keep feeding me info.

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[Renegade_Master]

Sealine= skoda a bit unfair I think, having said that skoda now make good cars and sell well I imagine, as indeed Sealine sell well so they must be doing something right. . I think we should not let brand name snobbery get in the way of judging boats, as I've said in a previous thread, and your statement likening brand named cars suggests just that



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[jfm]

skoda analogy not fair

Gcw this is all personal opinions so no problem, but I think that's harsh on sealine. The differences are nothing at all like the difference between Merc car and Skoda car. Likewise the merc vs Bentley for Fairline vs Sunseeker is also inaccurate. With these boats, we are talking marginal differences in quality/design, and price

I agree about the flybridge design, it is poor imho across the Sealine range. I think many designers dont use the boats enough so dont appreciate the soemtimes subtle differences that make a flybridge good or bad. Imho among this class of boat only Fairline have got this design right (Sunseeker haven't, whether bentley or not), in a way that allows the right space for bodies to sit and move and for people to gather sociably (Fairline's ultimate one being the Sq58)

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[jfm]

I haven't looked very hard but I couldn't see an F37 either.

I assume these boats all sell for £10k less than asking price, by the way

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[[2068]]

Sealine = Skoda ?
Not really, skoda are utilitarian but reliable, and made in Czechslovakia. I would equate Sealines more to Jaguar (see Princess).

Fairline = Mercs
Possibly, if trading on previous badge glory whilst reducing costs to the bone, reducing quality, and manufacturing in South Africa is an example to follow.

Princess = Jaguar
Made in England, and not entirely waterproof ? The canvas on the V42 at Southampton a couple of years back leaked like a sieve in a moderate shower. Possibly more where Bentley were a few years back.

Sunseeker = Bentley
"New" Bentley, maybe Aston Martin.

dv.


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[kimhollamby]

P38 engines

Early versions of the P38 were KAD44 I think and definitely under-engined, which is not good news on that particular engine. Later ones were mostly 63Ps I think, certainly the right engines but the difference between a pair of 230hp / 260hp in F36/37 and twin 370hp in Fairline or Princess 38s will show up in fuel bills.

The Sealine really is a 36-footer in old money and the Fairline and Princess mentioned here both a solid 38ft, so a definite size up; also the P38 is, for sure, quite a bit taller. Not quite chalk and cheese but there is quite a size difference.

With a budget of £130k-£150k and 63Ps as an installation I'd personally be tempted to look at Sealine 410s as well, although not an aft cockpit design.

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Well I did say you might have to stretch your budget a bit but <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.boats-for-sale.com/>http://www.boats-for-sale.com/</A> have a couple of Phantom 38/Princess 38's in the the £160-£170k range and you could certainly make an offer in the £150k's and see how keen the seller is

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[Wiggo]

Not much to look out for, I think. The surveyor found nothing of any significance when we bought ours. As ever, get the biggest engines you can - for the money, you should be looking at KAMD44's on a 98/99 boat, probably, or KAMD43's on a 99/00 boat. Make sure you get the right nav gear on the boat if you can, it will save a few quid. Also, think about a tender: the F36 can take davits, and having them already on will save you a few grand. The 37's platform is longer, making davits awkward, so we added a crane (the boat had tender chocks already), but that was another £3.5k.

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