boatone
Well-Known Member
Received today from EA:
End of Red Registration from 1/1/2017
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djm
Active Member
And presumably you can also confirm that the EA has consulted with such organisations as appear to the Agency to be representative of users of the waterways about this change, as required by Section 24 (a) of the 2010 Order?
Consultation
24.—(1) The Agency must consult with such organisations as appear to the Agency to be
representative of users of the waterways in relation to the exercise by it of its functions under this
Order.
(2) Matters for consultation pursuant to paragraph (1) include the introduction of or material
alteration to—
(a) registration requirements;
(b) insurance requirements;
(c) construction and equipment standards; and
(d) additional requirements for commercial vessels.
boatone
Well-Known Member
I confirmed nothing so cannot "also confirm" anything else. I simply passed on information received.
byron
RIP
Tony, do you know why they are taking (in my view) this unreasonable stance?
boatone
Well-Known Member
I believe the "red registration" was a concession granted when the TWO came into force and was intended to be a transitional arrangement to give boaters time to comply. I am told that the matter was discussed at a National Navigation Users Forum meeting in September (I am not party to that) and there was no strong objection to its removal from the beginning of 2017.
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oldgit
Well-Known Member
Surely 5 years should be sufficent to get any boat needing a BSC, ie floating on the Thames and capable of being used,up to scratch.
The simple and obvious option of putting it ashore is also available. Would have thought any boat that has been languishing unloved for even a fraction of the time needs taking out of the water. ?
Cannot be certain,but seem to remember that much shorter period of grace was allowed down here.This did appear to result in small number of boats being ejected from boatyards and then abandoned.
During last winter floods, couple broke adrift,managed to vault over the weir at Allington and came into the tidal Merdway.Still to be seen awaiting an owner to pay the salvage bill,which will of course be picked up by Peel Ports,in other words you and me.
No BSC, no insurance,no license,no mooring, no boat in the water....... .
The simple and obvious option of putting it ashore is also available. Would have thought any boat that has been languishing unloved for even a fraction of the time needs taking out of the water. ?
Cannot be certain,but seem to remember that much shorter period of grace was allowed down here.This did appear to result in small number of boats being ejected from boatyards and then abandoned.
During last winter floods, couple broke adrift,managed to vault over the weir at Allington and came into the tidal Merdway.Still to be seen awaiting an owner to pay the salvage bill,which will of course be picked up by Peel Ports,in other words you and me.
No BSC, no insurance,no license,no mooring, no boat in the water....... .
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Antony Collis
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I think it is terrible to just stop red licences.
I know plenty of people who have red licences due to the boat being in mid-build. I am a strong supported of enforcement of licences and insurance but I feel that there has to be a temporary alternative. It is wrong to assume that people with red licences are doing something wrong as long as they are sticking to the terms of the licence. what is written above is wrong, No BSC, no insurance,no license,no mooring, no boat in the water....... . if you have a red licence then by default you have a licence and do have insurance to get that licence.
If you buy a car without an MOT then you are able to SORN it while in the process of getting the MOT. A red licence is similar to this but unlike a car where you do not have to TAX the vehicle while in the process of gaining an MOT, it is still a requirement to 'red licence' the boat while in the water being repaired/modified. This means the EA is still gaining the revenue for the vessel even though it is not being 'used' on the navigation. I can just imaging how this lost revenue will be recovered, our licence fee will go up. Something that is always debated on here.
People will always be buying boats without a BSC. There is no enforcement that makes sure that a boat has a full BSC for the full year, only when actually applying for the licence. This means that a BSC could run out mid year and then the boat could be sold. it's not a requirement of a boat to have a BSC when being sold so while the purchaser may be in a strong bargaining position with regards to the purchase price it will leave them with a boat without a BSC in the water. This person should have some way of being honest and declaring this while potentially sorting out of the horrendous modifications and further alterations that may have become necessary since the last BSC was put on the boat more than 4 years ago.
I think if people are worried about safety of their boat while out on the water then more attention should be given to people who don't licence/insure their boats at all.
I know plenty of people who have red licences due to the boat being in mid-build. I am a strong supported of enforcement of licences and insurance but I feel that there has to be a temporary alternative. It is wrong to assume that people with red licences are doing something wrong as long as they are sticking to the terms of the licence. what is written above is wrong, No BSC, no insurance,no license,no mooring, no boat in the water....... . if you have a red licence then by default you have a licence and do have insurance to get that licence.
If you buy a car without an MOT then you are able to SORN it while in the process of getting the MOT. A red licence is similar to this but unlike a car where you do not have to TAX the vehicle while in the process of gaining an MOT, it is still a requirement to 'red licence' the boat while in the water being repaired/modified. This means the EA is still gaining the revenue for the vessel even though it is not being 'used' on the navigation. I can just imaging how this lost revenue will be recovered, our licence fee will go up. Something that is always debated on here.
People will always be buying boats without a BSC. There is no enforcement that makes sure that a boat has a full BSC for the full year, only when actually applying for the licence. This means that a BSC could run out mid year and then the boat could be sold. it's not a requirement of a boat to have a BSC when being sold so while the purchaser may be in a strong bargaining position with regards to the purchase price it will leave them with a boat without a BSC in the water. This person should have some way of being honest and declaring this while potentially sorting out of the horrendous modifications and further alterations that may have become necessary since the last BSC was put on the boat more than 4 years ago.
I think if people are worried about safety of their boat while out on the water then more attention should be given to people who don't licence/insure their boats at all.
No Regrets
Well-Known Member
I don't want some unfinished piece of carp with dodgy Gas fittings floating next to my boat in a Marina I'm paying £4k a year for.
I'm not talking about odd months here or there when a licence runs out, but just people keeping horrible project boats afloat, which should be ashore.
I'm not talking about odd months here or there when a licence runs out, but just people keeping horrible project boats afloat, which should be ashore.