Electric sportcruiser

[Bouba]

Don't know - not taken it out!

On a Tesla there are (unofficial) sites that will translate your VIN plus there are other codes on the registration paper, and then there is information on Tesla forums and the multitude of apps available....we are all obsessed with the battery and it’s every detail. In fact obsessed is too flippant a description...the disease is far more advanced ?.
Anyhow I mentioned your claim of no degradation...and they weren’t impressed ?

 

[ontheplane]

Good for them lol.

I can only relate what I have experienced. If any degradation has happened so far it is in the buffer area, and so small as to be almost impossible to measure as far as I can see.


However if you speak to any Tesla fanboi they cannot accept any electric car that isn't a Tesla is any good anyhow so not much point asking them lol.

 

[Bouba]

However if you speak to any Tesla fanboi they cannot accept any electric car that isn't a Tesla is any good anyhow so not much point asking them lol.

Many people do come on the Tesla forums and say they are going to buy a BMW, Hyundai, Kia EV etc.. and they are set upon and duffed up proper..as deserved?

 

[ontheplane]

Well of course... Speaking out against an cult is always dangerous!

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[Assassin]

One of my favourites in recent months is a local well known distribution company delivering parcels to peoples homes and they have a fleet of electric vans, well 12 brand new ones and they stand proudly just inside their fence in full view (PR stunt) attached to their chargers and rarely move and as I know their site Manager I asked him and his response was surprising.

He claimed they used about a 50:50 mix of employed and self employed drivers and neither would use the electric vans because they were rubbish, their most common complaint was range and a diesel van could do a days work on a tank of diesel, yet their electric vans which should be able to do a days work couldn't manage half a day and this meant returning to the depot and swapping out the remainder of their loads into a second electric van and hoping it had enough power to complete their day. Their systems were going haywire as they aren't programmed to track two vehicles doing the same route and they had to have a lorry to recover stranded vans so they couldn't be seen being transported back and the drivers were revolting because they have quotas of deliveries and returning these vans to the depot to swap a part load over and return to their route was making their long days even longer (over 16 hours in some cases) and they would go home rather than go out in an electric van.

He also said his regional manager claimed it came down to money as they could claim numerous grants and subsidies for these vehicles and also write their costs off as a business expense and as long as officially they had a specific percentage of electric vans officially on their books it was economically beneficial for the company even if none of the electric vans didn't turn a wheel.

 

[Bouba]

One of my favourites in recent months is a local well known distribution company delivering parcels to peoples homes and they have a fleet of electric vans, well 12 brand new ones and they stand proudly just inside their fence in full view (PR stunt) attached to their chargers and rarely move and as I know their site Manager I asked him and his response was surprising.

He claimed they used about a 50:50 mix of employed and self employed drivers and neither would use the electric vans because they were rubbish, their most common complaint was range and a diesel van could do a days work on a tank of diesel, yet their electric vans which should be able to do a days work couldn't manage half a day and this meant returning to the depot and swapping out the remainder of their loads into a second electric van and hoping it had enough power to complete their day. Their systems were going haywire as they aren't programmed to track two vehicles doing the same route and they had to have a lorry to recover stranded vans so they couldn't be seen being transported back and the drivers were revolting because they have quotas of deliveries and returning these vans to the depot to swap a part load over and return to their route was making their long days even longer (over 16 hours in some cases) and they would go home rather than go out in an electric van.

He also said his regional manager claimed it came down to money as they could claim numerous grants and subsidies for these vehicles and also write their costs off as a business expense and as long as officially they had a specific percentage of electric vans officially on their books it was economically beneficial for the company even if none of the electric vans didn't turn a wheel.

Government subsidies do change everyone’s economic decisions.....your story shows that the economics of having a delivery vehicle with insufficient range is indeed perverse. The fact that there are very successful electric taxis on the road (of course they will also benefit from subsidies) and post offices using electric vans and bikes show it’s possible....but very long range vans and trucks are cutting edge...they will come...and when they are common the technology will transfer to boats (probably without the subsidies ?)...it’s early days, we are on the cusp of change

 

[ontheplane]

As I've said before - until there is a massive sea change in both infrastructure in terms of charging and also battery capacity - electric boating is for displacement boats.... the planing electric boat is still only likely to be for a small sportsboat, operating on a lake or within a tiny area that can access charging easily...