Eeek! Greek tax on boats

They've though about it a bit more than the Sardinians though. They've obvioulsy realised they get proportionately far more in indirect taxation from short term visiting boaters spending their holiday money in shops and restaurants, than they do from liveaboards, who may spend the whole summer there, and often buy very little other than essential groceries. So the 40 day rule means they tax the latter group, without putting off the former. Bit of a bugg@r if you berth there year round though.
 
Notice though that it doesn't start under 10m, otherwise it would piss off all the locals with their ancient boats they go fishing in. €300 a metre would be more than most of those boats are worth.
 
mjf said:
\i might be a bit behind here but i read at the w/e that if you keep a 10m+ Mobo or 15m + sail boat in Greek waters for over 40days they will impose a yearly tax for the privilage.

Starts at €300 / m per annum it said.


Bloody hell!
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Looks like Greece is hoping that boatowners alone will pay off their national debt. The marinas will love that because every foreign owned boat moored permanently in Greece and many Greek owned ones will bugger off to a neighbouring country. €3000 pa for a 10m boat is more than many marinas charge for annual mooring so there's no way it won't affect marinas and other boating businesses.
I guess the discrimination between mobos and yachts is so as not to discourage the many yacht charter businesses in Greece which mainly use sub 15m boats.
Like the Spanish matriculation tax, this is yet another example of a tax which will raise less than it loses in other areas
 
Deleted User said:
Looks like Greece is hoping that boatowners alone will pay off their national debt. The marinas will love that because every foreign owned boat moored permanently in Greece and many Greek owned ones will bugger off to a neighbouring country. €3000 pa for a 10m boat is more than many marinas charge for annual mooring so there's no way it won't affect marinas and other boating businesses.
I guess the discrimination between mobos and yachts is so as not to discourage the many yacht charter businesses in Greece which mainly use sub 15m boats.
Like the Spanish matriculation tax, this is yet another example of a tax which will raise less than it loses in other areas
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Yes and the very big charter stuff will clearly have to ensure they avoid the 40 day rule too.
 
I worked out my annual tax on a 11.5 metre boat is about 3,500 euros - more than my annual mooring. what's more - there appears to be a mechanism in place to backdate it for the previous year!! 7.000 euros!!! already looking at alternative venues, no way I am up for this if it goes ahead.
 
blueglass said:
I worked out my annual tax on a 11.5 metre boat is about 3,500 euros - more than my annual mooring. what's more - there appears to be a mechanism in place to backdate it for the previous year!! 7.000 euros!!! already looking at alternative venues, no way I am up for this if it goes ahead.
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Oh dear and so soon after that article in last month's MBY which made the Ionian look so inviting.:( Is it viable to moor in Albania or maybe, Montenegro and nip into Greek waters for 40 day or less cruises?
 
Deleted User said:
Oh dear and so soon after that article in last month's MBY which made the Ionian look so inviting.:( Is it viable to moor in Albania or maybe, Montenegro and nip into Greek waters for 40 day or less cruises?
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Yes technically it is although Albania has virtually nothing in the way of boat facilties that I know of.
I am still hoping that it won't happen - it was apparantly the last Greek gov. who came up with this brilliant idea in their last days in office and the new guys are looking at it.
If they would only change it so that the first 10 metre was not chargeable and you pay the 300 euros per meter only on the length above that it would be kind of acceptable, but as it stands - nobody will pay, certainly not me.
 
mjf said:
\i might be a bit behind here but i read at the w/e that if you keep a 10m+ Mobo or 15m + sail boat in Greek waters for over 40days they will impose a yearly tax for the privilage.

Starts at €300 / m per annum it said.


Bloody hell!
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Anybody who wants to give themselves a fright this is the actual proposed tariff;
(1) Power boats over 10 metres

First 13m = 300 Euros per metre
Next 4m (14 to 17) = 550 Euros
Next 4m (18 to 21) = 800 Euros
Next 4m (22 to 25) = 1050 Euros
Over 26m = 1300 Euros per metre

However, before cutting your throat consider this (copied from noonsite)

"At present this new tax has not been consistently collected and Noonsite has been advised that the new government is reviewing the rates.



Received 2010-01-13 from Malcolm Sanford

I had intended to spend at least 10 weeks cruising the Greek Islands this year. My yacht Freya is 15.3m so I am obviously concerned about the new Greek Cruising Tax that would be applied if I spent more than 40 days in Greek waters. I emailed Med Marinas to see if they could give some clarification on the proposed tax. Their response, received today, is copied below. It may be of interest to other cruisers.

Dear Sir,
In regards to the new tax for cruising boats in Greece, it was brought by the previous Government some days before its departure.

There is currently an on-going procedure by the new Government to withdraw or modify this law so foreigners will not pay any tax.

That is what all Governmental officials have assured us.

For the time being the Law is unofficially considered by the Authorities as not valid.

I remain at your disposal for any further information.

Kind Regards,

Vasia Karavasili
Reservation Department
K&G Med. Marinas Management
Tel: +30 210 9855327-8
Fax: +30 210 9855329
email: k.g@medmarinas.com
 
Given the amount of money potentially involved, I think I'd want to see an official statement confirming that foreigners were exempt or that the tax idea had been abandoned before I moored permanently in Greece. If Greek customs suddenly demand several thousand Euros from you, it's not going to do you much good waving this e-mail in their face. Obviously it is in the marina management's interest to talk down this potential tax
 
Deleted User said:
Oh dear and so soon after that article in last month's MBY which made the Ionian look so inviting.:( Is it viable to moor in Albania or maybe, Montenegro and nip into Greek waters for 40 day or less cruises?
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I was looking seriously at Greece, now I will consider Malta , not that far from the Ionian

mine would be 300 x 17m ...................help
 
mjf said:
\i might be a bit behind here but i read at the w/e that if you keep a 10m+ Mobo or 15m + sail boat in Greek waters for over 40days they will impose a yearly tax for the privilage.

Starts at €300 / m per annum it said.


Bloody hell!
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Go to page 4 on the Liveaboard Forum
Mucho discussion on this subject.
94 replies in fact
Plus currently there are other comments/ discussions on the 'Greek/Euro' situation!
Yammas
K;)
 
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Given the amount of money potentially involved, I think I'd want to see an official statement confirming that foreigners were exempt or that the tax idea had been abandoned before I moored permanently in Greece. If Greek customs suddenly demand several thousand Euros from you, it's not going to do you much good waving this e-mail in their face. Obviously it is in the marina management's interest to talk down this potential tax
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In your position I would do exactly the same. unfortunately my boat is already there and my annual contract runs until the end of next summer, so yes I am more than concerned. You are quite right- marina operators and service businesses on the ground are playing it right down - they would, wouldn't they. If it looks like it is going through I will observe from outside Greek waters even if it means wasting my mooring.
 
lovezoo said:
Notice though that it doesn't start under 10m, otherwise it would piss off all the locals with their ancient boats they go fishing in. €300 a metre would be more than most of those boats are worth.
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Too right ;)

Growinglad (owner of 7M weekend'er :) )

I'm also glad to say although she's an old girl she's worth a bit more than 2100 euro's :)

Anything over 10m is classed as a luxury item, they even have a tax for say camper vans as they are classed again as a luxury item.

In fact for local's I'm sure you have to declare owning a boat over 10m.

If it ever does come in I'm sure that there will be some kind of loop hole...This is Greece...there's always a loop hole.

And before any of you miserable buggers start..I'm PAYE..yes I pay my Tax ! :)
 
GrowingLad said:
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Anything over 10m is classed as a luxury item, they even have a tax for say camper vans as they are classed again as a luxury item.
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I wonder why a motor boat of 10.1 meters is a luxury item, but a sailing boat of 14.9 meters is not?

Incidentally ref Kawasaki - the liveaboard threads on this subject (to which I chipped in) don't exhibit quite the same anxiety because most contributors (not all) are on sub 15 metre sailing boats. There are even several who more than intimated that it was a good thing the "stinkboats" got a whipping. (no don't want to start a war)
Thats why I think its a good thing to air the subject here on the mobo forum.
 
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