E-MAIL PROTEST AGAINST RED DIESEL TAX - SIGN HERE NOW!!

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I take no credit for finding this, another member put it on his posting. YBM - can you set this up on the top - not my posting - but just the link?

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Boat-diesel/

You can do this if you're an armchair warrior, (like me) Click the link, type in name, address and email, click the link on the e-mail they send you, job done.

AT LEAST WE CAN ALL GET INVOLVED!!

How about another petition?

(a) Shoot all Politicians (unless they run a boat)
(b) Bomb Brussels
(c) Nationalise marinas
 
Don't bank on anyone taking it seriously, look at some of the other petitions on the same website:

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to…

stand on his head and juggle ice-cream.

Sell honours openly and use the money to complement the national lottery's good causes. To make them accessible to all we suggest a starting price of a pound a peerage.

To stop the Harassment of 4x4 Owners & drivers

Move Parliament to Bradford

Recognise that Cornwall is the fourth nation of Great Britain.

replace the national anthem with 'Gold' by Spandau Ballet

insist that at least a further two series of "Doctor Who" are produced by the BBC after the 2007 series has finished broadcasting.

Ban the circumcision of all males under 18 in the UK

campaign to stop john humphrys interrupting people

and probably the most obscure:

create the 3rd phase of layered Janet /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
And THAT'S why nobody bothers to vote, and THAT'S why people like Tone get elected.

Bit grandiose perhaps, but: All that's needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.

Get involved, make yourself heard, no matter how futile it seems!
 
And what exactly makes you think that a group of comparatively well-off pleasure seekers, who think nothing of burning hundreds of litres of diesel per hour to go for a picnic in the next bay, should be exempt from tax?

Yes, I do own a boat. But the squealing from certain parts of the boating community is starting to get on my nerves.
 
It's just a tax being imposed on us by a group of faceless beurocrats we didn't vote for.

Let's take another hypothetical example. Ski resorts without a doubt destroy quite a bit of the natural environment for the alps. So lets tax this. It's clearly a sport enjoyed by the rich who can afford a bit of extra tax.

Wrap it up with whatever spin is required and get it through the EU. Does anyone for one moment expect the French would comply? Of course not. Members should be able to do what they want in their own countries.
 
wonder how you would feel if heating fuel was taxed at the same rate as road fuel? after all what has boating got to do with roads any way.


This is just an opportunity tax, with no real benefit for safety or the nation. similar to the fox hunting ban then.


ps I dont fox hunt ,but do boat.
 
In what way is skiing not taxed? It has the same tax on lift pass sales and ski rentals as any other good or service.
Which of course is the exact situation marine fuel is in now.
 
Absolutely - getting a privileged tax exemption doesn't really add up to a top priority for the country. If we have to have a tax exemption, then heating fuel is probably a slightly more worthy cause, although I'd scrap that and compensate by increasing heating allowances for those in need.
 
"...wonder how you would feel if heating fuel was taxed at the same rate as road fuel? after all what has boating got to do with roads any way"

Not sure I follow your logic there. I tend to think heating is a bit more of an essential than going for a pleasure trip in a motorboat...
 
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It's just a tax being imposed on us by a group of faceless beurocrats we didn't vote for.

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Why do we keep coming back to this canard. All EU legislation is passed by the European Parliament. If you didn't vote for an MEP then that is your own fault. Don't blame others for your inaction. The 'faceless bureaucrats' do not make laws - they only draft them - just like UK civil servants.

If you seriously imagine that a popular vote (such as a referendum) would give a tax break to the small minority of relatively wealthy people who go out in boats then you may have some claim that this is undemocratic. However as the legislation is enacted by your elected representatives any such claim is absurd.

And by the way, the French do not have a reduced rate of tax for pleasure craft so the nonsense about them not standing for it is demonstrably untrue. We in France already pay more for our fuel. I accept that as a democratic necessity and do not expect special treatment .
 
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Why do we keep coming back to this canard. All EU legislation is passed by the European Parliament. If you didn't vote for an MEP then that is your own fault. Don't blame others for your inaction. The 'faceless bureaucrats' do not make laws - they only draft them - just like UK civil servants.

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You are mistaken. Our elected representatives decided to apply for a derogation. This was turned down without a vote in the Parliament and without a vote in the Commission. The loss of the derogation was the direct result of the "faceless bureaucrats".

Rick
 
I have to say that I own a boat, not because I am wealthy - because I am not - but because I like boats. When we moved house we got a bigger mortgage, bought an old tub and did it up. It could just as easily well have been a caravan, a seaside mobile home, a trailer tent, or any other possession for leisure use. However, the issue is not only for those wealthy ones with massive boats using lots of fuel but for the "little guy " whose boat doesn't use a lot of fuel but which still represents a considerable part of his spare leisure allocation.

For those dissenting, non-boaters on this forum, (and heaven knows what you are doing here anyway) what makes you think your particular pursuit won't also attract a punitive tax.

I'm screaming because this hits me and has finally woken me up to smell the roses. What'll wake YOU up? Perhaps a punitive tax on the energy use in your home?

If you like the EU and our Labour Government or any other government too spineless to pull out of it and deal effectively with all the other big issues, crime, health, immigration, vote them back in next time, it's your priviledge. Mine is to object to what I see and hear and now I've woken up I certainly will shout loud & long and vote against the current crop of useless self-seeking and corrupt politicians on all available levels.

So there!!
 
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Why do we keep coming back to this canard. All EU legislation is passed by the European Parliament. If you didn't vote for an MEP then that is your own fault. Don't blame others for your inaction. The 'faceless bureaucrats' do not make laws - they only draft them - just like UK civil servants.

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You are mistaken. Our elected representatives decided to apply for a derogation. This was turned down without a vote in the Parliament and without a vote in the Commission. The loss of the derogation was the direct result of the "faceless bureaucrats".

Rick

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Actually, doubly mistaken. It's not quite as straightforward as: The 'faceless bureaucrats' (aka the Commission) do not make laws. And the Commission is certainly not 'just like UK civil servants'. The Commission has the sole right to initiate legislation. The Parliament and Council (differently in different areas) approve legislation put to it by the Commission. I do not seek to make a political point here, but it is a fact that unelected officials have far more power in Europe than in the UK.
 
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