Dubarry of Ireland - Posh yacht shoes, yes?

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Well they too are now made in CHINA where nothing can live in the air they create.

THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH!!!

BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS. DON'T BUY EVEN ONE NEW WHITE GOODS ITEM.

YOU (and I) are killing the planet!

Steve Cronin
 
So what car do you drive?

There you are whinging about Dubarry making their boots in China .... Well they have made them there for at least 4 years ... and what's your car??? and what's your boat? and where do you sail? and if you're that posh how much does it cost you to fly to Greece each weekend????

Dubarry make nice boots, and IMO they work. Period.
 
Re: Dubarry of Ireland - Sorry Mr Cronin....

If you have a pair of the older boots - dont give up on them.

Apparently the newer versions cant be mended as the sole is 'welded' to the uppers i.e. no welt.......

BUT!

I have just had my 8 year old boots completely refurbished - new sole; liner; and trim. All for £40 inc p+p - I will consider that a complete bargain if I get the same amount of use out of them before have to send them off for another refurb.

Dubarrys'? Brilliant. Can't knock 'em

Donald
 
Steve, part of me agrees with your crusade, but part of me also thinks that by going on about China you are somewhat missing the point. That the Chinese factories are not the cleanest is no secret, but if you consider China's size they are not the worst by any stretch...

Food for thought, emmissions per capita:

CO2_per_capita_per_country.png


Marc.
 
What a blind view...

..don't you realise what givng our production structure over to china has done to not only our skilled workers but to the atmosphere of the planet?

Then there is the chineese record on human rights.

Why do we tolerate this corrupt evil polluting country?

Keep your head in the sand, why don't you?

Steve cronin
 
That proves nothing.

It is just "Emissions" not highly toxic and harmful to life emissions and how old is it? China has actually overtaken the USa in the Total emissions per capita league.

The state of the Yangtsee River, the chinese countryside and the recent loss of two species of aquatic mammals tells the REAL truth.

Steve Cronin
 
Re: Dubarry of Ireland - Sorry Mr Cronin....

I have a client who does the repairs on Dubarry boots in the UK. It was after his telling me that they were still made in Ireland that I bought a pair of shoes at £110. When they arrived, there was that dreadful stamping under the tongues, "Made in China". I wonder how much Dubarry pay per pair? They don't seem to be any cheaper now that they are made in dirty old china.

Sadly, most of population are fully aware of what the effect of buying yet another consumer item which will require regular replacing and disposing of, is but then they hear some sort of half excuse from the left media and so breathe a sigh of relief and smugly carry on regardless. We are fools bringing about not only our own country's economic downturn but the eventual death of the planet.

Steve Cronin
 
Re: That proves nothing.

The data is from 2003 for CO2.

The 2006 data shows (according to this site )
US: 20 ton CO2/cap
EU: 10 ton CO2/cap
China: 5 ton CO2/cap

Marc.
 
Re: Dubarry of Ireland - Sorry Mr Cronin....

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Sadly, most of population are fully aware of what the effect of buying yet another consumer item which will require regular replacing and disposing of, is but then they hear some sort of half excuse from the left media and so breathe a sigh of relief and smugly carry on regardless. We are fools bringing about not only our own country's economic downturn but the eventual death of the planet.

Steve Cronin

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Steve

I agree with your sentiment, but cannot agree on your choice of company.

I cant square your circle that I was and still will be able to get my now nine year old boots refurbished. I am not replacing and disposing.

Donald
 
Re: What a blind view... Perhaps

But its european manufacturers who have chosen to close down their european manufacturies and move lock stock and barrel to China. It's not the Chinese who have increased their emissions but the europeans/americans who have moved their emissions from one country to another and concentrated them in China. The statistics prove that the overall world emissions haven't gone up much ... and that (say) in the UK or USA that moving production to China make those 2 countries seem more green,

It's not me with my head in the sand, it's all of you who won't look at the big picture and see what's really happening.

Anyway, I love my old original DuBarry made in Ireland boots - they've been resoled twice /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But you haven't answered the question: You used to moore your boat in Soton (? or somewhere near there) and now it's in Greece .... Don't you think that you are in the same boat as DuBarry? You've chosen to commute from the UK to Greece because it's cheaper .... and sod the commuting emission consequences! ............

Oh Steve! I think that your sunglasses are perhaps becoming more and more pink than opaque .... (grin /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )
 
Re: Dubarry of Ireland - Sorry Mr Cronin....

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Ibringing about not only our own country's economic downturn

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What economic downturn?

Steady economic expansion for the past 14 years has pushed its GDP per head above that of France and Germany. Its jobless figures are the second-lowest in the European Union. Inflation has been modest, and sterling, the Achilles heel of governments from Clement Attlee's to John Major's, is if anything too strong for Britain's good. The Economist, Feb 3rd 2007, in an article on how Britain has coped (fairly well) with globalisation.

Or did you mean by that the reduction in our manufacturing sector?
 
Thanks for reminding me! Bought a pair of Shamrock boats this year. Sailed in really gentle drizzle for about 5 hours. XM oilies (much debate about those) kept me warm and dry, but my feet were soaking wet!

Just about to write to the Company! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
Re: What a blind view... Perhaps

One of my pairs of (American) sunglasses is sadly now at the bottom of Gouvia marina, the other, accidentally left on the boat so i just see stark daylight.

It is a well accepted fact that if we in the UK were to stop ALL emissions today that this would have a reduction in WORLD emissions of less than 2% of China's. Air travel is in a similar dimension.

Do you see yourself as somehow "on a different team" from "european manufacturers"? Or an "us and them" scenario where the Capitalist [--word removed--] are to blame NOt the "poor old chinese peasants"?

Well actually, the poor chinese peasants have very little say in what is happening under that evil regeime and they are dying in their thousands because of it's "expand at all costs" policies and the great divide between city and country populations.


IMO there should be a very heavy tax on manufactured goods where the carbon cost is so very high in their manufacture. Then perhaps Dubarry, M&S, Nauticalia et al would sit up and re-think their sourcing priorities.

Manufacturing is the ONLY sustainable form of adding value. All the rest, financial services, service industries, factoring, logistics (posh word for distribution) energy supplying etc are transient and will one day blow away like chaff in the wind.

Steve Cronin
 
Re: Dubarry of Ireland - Sorry Mr Cronin....

It will come.

The current economic situation is buoyed up on a sea of personal credit.

Once the east gets a hold on our financial sector our people will be reduced to living on a bowl of rice a day. We will at that point have nothing to offer.

Steve cronin
 
Re: Dubarry of Ireland - Sorry Mr Cronin....

Pick any one of a thousand companies they're all at the short term profit game. Anyway how will MY new Dubarrys fair over the next nine years I wonder?

Steve Cronin
 
Re: Dubarry of Ireland - Sorry Mr Cronin....

We should be concerned about our future ability to create wealth, but not for the reason you suggest. A further extract from the same article - the key point is the last paragraph - something I wholeheartedly agree with:

"Britain's economy is one of the most open among the big rich countries. Britons have long been avid investors overseas, and now foreign investors are returning the favour: last year Britain was second only to America as a destination for foreign direct investment.

Britain is a little ahead on restructuring its economy too. Its dire economic performance in the 1970s forced an early cure: from the 1980s it de-industrialised with a vengeance, freeing the labour market and strengthening competition. Today Britain does little of the mass manufacturing that countries such as Italy are struggling to defend against lower-cost competitors, and its workforce is much more flexible than France's or Germany's. Much of what is left of its industry is in high-tech or research-based fields such as aerospace engines and pharmaceuticals, where its world-class firms are more than holding their own. Companies were early into outsourcing and offshoring, too. Most importantly, Britain's deregulated financial markets and business services are doing a roaring trade as other countries become more internationally minded.

So the question is not whether Britain is successfully riding the current wave of globalisation: the answer to that is yes. It is whether it can keep coming up with the new products and services it needs to sell to pay for the food and the shoes it no longer produces. And here a few doubts set in.

The first is that Britain is raising its taxes just when other countries are cutting theirs, and is introducing more red tape. But these things have happened only recently and could easily be reversed.

What will be harder to put right is another deficiency regularly flagged up by the OECD: education and skills. Other countries are rapidly moving up the value-added ladder in manufacturing. And thanks to the internet, many more sophisticated services too can now be offered from afar, including legal advice, medical diagnosis, consulting and accounting—just what Britain's educated professional middle class is selling around the world. Universities in India, China and elsewhere are pouring out graduates increasingly capable of doing them. Yet in Britain, for all the talk of the “knowledge-based economy”, secondary schooling and vocational training are in a state of permanent upheaval and universities are underfunded. "
 
Re: What a blind view... Perhaps

Steve, I'm not sure where you are getting your facts from:

In 2006 CO2 emission in the UK were 544.2 million tons, for China 6200. That's a lot more like 9% not 2. And look at the difference in size of the countries!

Another nice graph (which admitedly excludes cement production, but it doesn't change much to the overall picture):

globalCO2_tcm61-33576.jpg


Pollution & global warming are massive issues, but by overstating the size of the problem, you risk losing credibility and support.

Marc.
 
Re: Dubarry of Ireland - Sorry Mr Cronin....

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Ibringing about not only our own country's economic downturn

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What economic downturn?

Steady economic expansion for the past 14 years has pushed its GDP per head above that of France and Germany. Its jobless figures are the second-lowest in the European Union. Inflation has been modest, and sterling, the Achilles heel of governments from Clement Attlee's to John Major's, is if anything too strong for Britain's good. The Economist, Feb 3rd 2007, in an article on how Britain has coped (fairly well) with globalisation.

Or did you mean by that the reduction in our manufacturing sector?

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We are undoubtedly living in a fools paradise with a huge balance of payments deficit growing larger by the year as the oil runs out and manufacturing is transferred to low cost countries. Whats even more worrying is that in this cycle, the ownership of once great British companies is being transferred overseas and with that ownership goes control of investment. To put it another way, even when the balance of payments issue comes home to roost, there will be no manufacturing base / technology available in the UK to re-build to compensate and no companies with an interest in doing so. For the foreseeable future there will always be somewhere cheaper to manufacture.

We are not moving into high tech at all.What high tech consumer durable can you think of that has a strong British presence? Screwdriver plants maybe, but no Brit producer.

There is even less reason for confidence in the future of the service economy. Much of the UK service sector is foreign owned (the City for example) and quite capable of being moved as the Internet develops. Why should a German car producer or a Chinese electronics company want to raise money in the UK rather than at home, anyway?

When will the economists writing in the Economist realise that trade is for most countries an issue of foreign policy not fairness, and that winning matters.
 
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