Dry weight, specs for a road trailer for an Broom 30' ?

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I'm thinking of getting one made (as cheaply as possible) to keep the boat at home in winter.

I'm wondering what the approximate dry weight of the boat is before I approach a fabricator.

If anyone has done something similar, I'd be interested to hear their thoughts.
 
I can't see a one-off being any cheaper than a trailer-manufacturer product.
Sourcing the bits and planning the build will be a big part of a custom-build.

The builder may not be able to get the best deals on all the bits. Roller arrays, hitches, suspension units, brakes etc.

The current Broom 30 is 4 metric tonnes. Your trailer will be about a ton, at least.
You can't tow that with anything you'll have lying around.

How about getting an artic trailer modified to suit and just pay someone to move it for you with a truck tractor unit.
 
Lakesailor said:
You can't tow that with anything you'll have lying around.

How about getting an artic trailer modified to suit and just pay someone to move it for you with a truck tractor unit.
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Thanks Lakesailor - that's exactly what I have in mind, I'm hoping I can get a low-loader or agri trailer modified to suit. (I didn't want to waffle too much in the initial post in case of reader fatigue :) ).

I was thinking
  • support keel on wood blocks or suitable material
  • weld acro-props in place to support the hull

Do boat transporters generally use adjustable stays to stop the boat moving forward/back/sideways, or do they just strap down the load?
 
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A thousand words...

Lakesailor, that's exactly what I needed, a picture speaks a thousand words - thank you!

Might cost a few quid though :-|

I'd happily swap my project for that fuggly boat :-)

Is there anyone out there who's knocked a trailer together on the cheap?

I'm looking at trailers because it's easier to get a trailer into where I want to put the boat - if I was to hire a crane to lift it off a haulier's trailer onto stands I'd have to knock down walls, lay gravel over lawns etc, so Senior's generous offer of space might be revoked!
 
To save craning costs, why not a trolly that can be hauled onto a low loader? Couple of rear axles off FWD vans (Renault Master?) welded up RSJ frame with rollers and props (short Acros are €12 here). The rated load of the axles can be exceeded as it is only for pulling around the yard and at home, not road use with the shock loads. So a back axle for a 1.5T van would easily do. Front one steerable if off a Transit or other beam axle van. Or centre pivot to steer,if a rear axle.

Breakers yard here quoted me €120 for each axle with springs and good rims/tyres. Bit cheaper as springs not needed in your case.
DW
 
SnippyDog said:
Is there anyone out there who's knocked a trailer together on the cheap?

Sort of... I have built lots of road trailers up to around 3tons cap. The ideas I just quoted were for my current build. Problem here is: No home builds over 500kg GW. And it is getting that way in the UK by report. So the trolley is for yard use or on a ramped low loader, very common here for earth movers, so easily hired. Avoiding the crane is very cost inportant...
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This is great folks, keep the ideas coming!

All suggestions/ideas are appreciated, it might turn out to be the first crowd-sourced boat transport solution! :)

DownWest said:
why not a trolly that can be hauled onto a low loader?
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I like that idea, it could be a lot cheaper and neater than modifying a truck or agri trailer.
  • Could the haulier decouple his low-loader and tow the trolly off it with the same tractor unit, or would the trailer need to be coupled to a braked tractor before unloading? i.e. needing a second agri or truck tractor to assist in unloading?
  • I think the boat could weigh as much as 5-6000 kg, but I may be overestimating (I need to contact Broom for answers). Any reservations about the angle the trolly would be at going on/off the low-loader, ?
  • DownWest, is this something like what you're suggesting? www.apolloduck.ie/display.phtml?aid=247519

sarabande said:
how far do you intend to tow the finished trailer and boat ?
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About 60 miles each way - half motorway, the rest mediocre secondary road.

I could get a proper engineering firm to modify an agri trailer, but cheaper options are far more appealing :-) I'm no welder, so I'll need to pay someone to knock a trolly together as well.
A modified agri trailer would be fine, but they seem to be mostly hitch-sprung, I think I need something axle-sprung or I risk damaging the hull?

Now that I'm thinking about the trolly idea, it would take up less space in the yard than a proper trailer - seems the way to go if it's safe to use and cheaper to put together?
 
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SnippyDog said:
All suggestions/ideas are appreciated, it might turn out to be the first crowd-sourced boat transport solution! :)

I like that idea, it could be a lot cheaper and neater than modifying a truck or agri trailer.
  • Could the haulier decouple his low-loader and tow the trolly off it with the same tractor unit, or would the trailer need to be coupled to a braked tractor before unloading? i.e. needing a second agri or truck tractor to assist in unloading?
  • I think the boat could weigh as much as 5-6000 kg, but I may be overestimating (I need to contact Broom for answers). Any reservations about the angle the trolly would be at going on/off the low-loader, ?
  • DownWest, is this something like what you're suggesting? www.apolloduck.ie/display.phtml?aid=247519

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Don't think any unsprung agri (and speed limited) stuff would be allowed on M roads.
Yes the apollo example is what one is thinking about, and not a bad price. A trolley would not need regular tests either. Angles for loading are a question of overhangs and ramp length, so would need a look at.
Second tractor for unloading at home, presume the boat yard has one for that end. Longish tube to pull/push the trolley on/off the l/loader.
DW
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SnippyDog said:
I'm thinking of getting one made (as cheaply as possible) to keep the boat at home in winter.

I'm wondering what the approximate dry weight of the boat is before I approach a fabricator.

If anyone has done something similar, I'd be interested to hear their thoughts.
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Probably cheaper to keep it at the boat yard ...
 
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