capt_courageous
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After all the stick we Solent sailors get about prices, crowding etc it is still a lot better than having to queue to get into a giant bathtub on wheels. It beggars belief.
Does size matter?
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Oh, such negativity. You were similarly miserable about my "salmon tail" idea where every visitng boat is supplied with a thrashing paddle thingy at the back to allow them to leap up to the marina in stages in precisely the same tried and tested method used by fish travelling upstream for millions of years.
Sailfree
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As a construction engineer (that also worked on the Barrow gas terminal) I have always found it more cost effective to build todays technology tommorrow. I know that with this attitude there would be no progress but let others build tommorrows technology today and make the progress and pay the financial cost.
I would therefore want to know where a similar project was completed and what were the problems and final cost before I offered an opinion.
I didn't sail when I worked in Cumbria but have some fond memories of what a lovely area it was.
I would therefore want to know where a similar project was completed and what were the problems and final cost before I offered an opinion.
I didn't sail when I worked in Cumbria but have some fond memories of what a lovely area it was.
SteveA
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Good to hear from someone who helped to build the place that keeps me in work.
There is a ship lift in Barrow already but slightly bigger! and works on a different principle than what is being proposed for this yacht lift - it uses electric winches and can lift a Trident sub!
The tank would always be the same weight and the counter balances would ground when the lift was at the top to allow the tank to then move off it.
I think we've rather gone away from my original thread- the engineering has already been studied. What I wanted to get a feel about was if people here felt that the sizing was about right i.e it would take yachts up to 18m x 7m.
There is a ship lift in Barrow already but slightly bigger! and works on a different principle than what is being proposed for this yacht lift - it uses electric winches and can lift a Trident sub!
The tank would always be the same weight and the counter balances would ground when the lift was at the top to allow the tank to then move off it.
I think we've rather gone away from my original thread- the engineering has already been studied. What I wanted to get a feel about was if people here felt that the sizing was about right i.e it would take yachts up to 18m x 7m.
Phoenix of Hamble
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Ok... if thats the question, then 7m isn't very wide.... certainly would hits the cats quite hard, but secondly, a modern AWB is usually over 3m wide, so anything of a decent size wouldn't be able to get two alongside each other.......
Amphitrite
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Are there any sketch plans around?
And I take NAS' point, a modern 40 footer is about 4 m wide, so pherhaps a tank of 25x10 meter could take up to for AWB and also some of the bigger cats (a Lagoon 500 is 8.53 meters wide). But how often cats of this size are seen in the Irish Sea?
And I take NAS' point, a modern 40 footer is about 4 m wide, so pherhaps a tank of 25x10 meter could take up to for AWB and also some of the bigger cats (a Lagoon 500 is 8.53 meters wide). But how often cats of this size are seen in the Irish Sea?
Phoenix of Hamble
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how often cats of this size are seen in the Irish Sea?
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how often cats of this size are seen in the Irish Sea?
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Amphitrite
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You're right; hen and egg, which was first... 
LadyInBed
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I would have thought a crane will be needed at some point in time.
e.g. New customer turns up with boat on low loader / trailer. Crane can just dump the boat straight in the water.
One of those Fork cranes with four electric motors and two webbing strops (as at Cherbourg) that lowers the boat into a rectangular bay seems to be the simplest solution to me.
The KISS principle should apply.
e.g. New customer turns up with boat on low loader / trailer. Crane can just dump the boat straight in the water.
One of those Fork cranes with four electric motors and two webbing strops (as at Cherbourg) that lowers the boat into a rectangular bay seems to be the simplest solution to me.
The KISS principle should apply.
damo
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Depends on the size of the marina and tidal range, but pumping to maintain levels can cost £kkk per month
Phoenix of Hamble
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OK.... still not convinced though...
If we are talking about 20 lockouts per day as an example.... surely the cost of pumping that much water would be cheaper than building a huge tank like this proposal?
If we are talking about 20 lockouts per day as an example.... surely the cost of pumping that much water would be cheaper than building a huge tank like this proposal?
damo
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No idea on costs of proposal - just making the point that pumping can be be a significant running cost.
Lakesailor
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The idea is preposterous. No matter how many sums are done they can't take into account the resistance from yachties to the concept which will mean less berth holders which will make the unit cost per yacht transported higher. Why go to Barrow (a Hell Hole anyway) when accessible Glasson is not too far away. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
SteveA
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If you think that Glasson is accessable I suggest that you stay on the Lake - it is probably the least accessable marina we regularly sail to. The advantage Barrow has is that yachts will be able to have 24 hour access - there's nowhere else nearby that can do this.
I'm just pleased that there are a lot of people that do not share your negative feels about trying to regenerate the Barrow area.
I'm just pleased that there are a lot of people that do not share your negative feels about trying to regenerate the Barrow area.