Does anybody recognise this fitting?

[xeitosaphil]

Hi does anyone know how made this Goose neck fitting?

Due to its wear on the bottom leg where the boom has been swiveling,I need to replace it.

If I could find the manufacturer I may be able to track a replacement down.

It has come off of a 1974 Hurley 30/70 which I am refitting.

The mast is gold anodized, along with the boom which has three levers underneath.There is also the same amount of wear on the lowerface of the boom insert, but I may be able to get over that with some S/S washers.

They must have been pretty standard at the time of supply but I don't seem to be able to track a replacement down?


Due to the present cost of the refit ( which seems more like a re-build ) I didnt want to have to go to the expence of a new Goose neck and boom end fitting.

Any Idea's would be welcome, Thanks in advance




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[Searush]

Look for a plate on the mast or boom, could be Jack Holt or IYE or similar. Take a look at the Barton web site for modern equivalents - you may need to replace both parts of the fitting if it isn't made anymore.

 

[Fantasie 19]

Just a thought - can you take the plate off and turn it upside down???

Apologies - I'm not familiar with the fitting type but someone suggested this on a previous post, and I've always remembered it for it's sheer genius!

 

[Norman_E]

I do not think that inverting it is an option. I am assuming that it is a aluminium alloy casting. My solution in that case would be to drill out the rivets holding it to the mast, machine the worn face flat and weld on a piece of aluminium alloy plate using the Lumiweld process. I would bore the new piece of plate first, and hold it in place with a nut and bolt during the welding process.

See Lumiweld here http://www.frost.co.uk/item_detail.asp?productID=8823

You do need to be careful however, a casting that size needs a lot of heat (think propane torch) and you must be certain that it is aluminium alloy and not Mazak (a zinc alloy) or a magnesium alloy (unlikely).

 

[philip_stevens]

along with the boom which has three levers underneath.

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If the three levers under the boom are brakes for the outhaul and reefing, then it could possibly be an old Kemp boom, as it sounds similar to the boom on our boat - i.e. the three levers.

Kemp is now Selden and they may be able to assist you in identifying the part for the mast.

btw, there should have been a washer between the boom and the bracket.

 

[saltwater_gypsy]

If you are prepared to do a "quality bodge" then use epoxy metal to build up the worn part and finish with a nylon or Tufnol washer to give a good bearing surface. I am not a devoted bodger but sometimes it is necessary until a better solution emerges.

 

[vyv_cox]

It looks pretty similar to my Kemp one. You can buy new from Atlantic Spars. I bought a new one just in case but managed to repair the old one by bushing the drillings with plastic water pipe and packing up the wear with PTFE washers. All fine now, no noise and no more wear between the pin and the fittings.

 

[xeitosaphil]

Gooseneck fitting

Thanks for all the suggestions Looked at Holt and Barton sites which are mainly dinghy size fittings, can't findtoo much info on IYE goosenecks

Don't think I can turn it upside down as the lower leg section is much bigger and takes a retaining pin.

I also think it could be an old Kemp fitting so will pursue that line of enquiry, incidently Atlantic spars are doing the rigg replacement and new Furlex headsail furler and they seem to think the fitting is obsolete? but didn't tell me who the supplier was hence this enquiry.

They also said the easiest and possible cheapest way would be to make a packer bush.

But I like to have things right if possible, so was looking to replace it if I could source one, but I might have to make do with a bit off a bodge?

Thanks again for all the input, as usual much appreciated.

 

[Lakesailor]

Bit of a Google and came up with this

Which is identified as an old Kemp fitting. The guy writing about it sourced a replacement from http://www.foxsmarina.com/ in Ipswich. That was in 2006.
Is that similar enough to be a possible replacement?

 

[vyv_cox]

I also think it could be an old Kemp fitting so will pursue that line of enquiry, incidently Atlantic spars are doing the rigg replacement and new Furlex headsail furler and they seem to think the fitting is obsolete? but didn't tell me who the supplier was hence this enquiry.

They supplied mine 18 months ago. It looks identical to the one in Lakesailor's photo.

 

[Eygthene]

From memory, I think your fitting is exactly the same as the one on my Eygthene. The mast and boom are Z Spars. I had a problem with a broken heel plug and found that they were most helpful when I rang the factory. Google for Z Spars and talk to their technical department. Whilst my mast is 24 years old, they were able to source a replacement heel plug ex stock at very reasonable cost. I expect they might also have the gooseneck fittings that you require

 

[xeitosaphil]

Gooseneck Fitting

Thanks Lake sailor for the photo of the Kemp Mast , but I think mine is different as the mast section in the photo has a flat surface on the sail track side, where as mine is a pear shaped mast so not sure how it would fit to a rounded surface?



Thanks Eygthene for the info on Z spars will check them out, I have now taken dimensions
of the gooseneck so wil be able to give them more detailed info along with the photo.

Hope to get a result, thanks again for the lead.

 

[xeitosaphil]

Gooseneck Fitting

Further to my enquiries to Z Spars they say they have nothing like it and suggested I go to Atlantic Spars as Kemp was taken over by selden, other than finding an old fitting on an existing mast.

So it would seem I have now gone full circle?

I think the only thing left, is the Delrin / Stainless steel washer option, but this will still leave the lower leg casting quite weak as there is not much left of it with the hole for the retaining pin directly under the worn away leg section.

Thanks for all those who contributed, but it would seem I have now come to a dead end?

 

[Lakesailor]

Apart from having a s/s one made. One curved back plate and two lugs welded on.

 

[philip_stevens]

Further to my enquiries to Z Spars they say they have nothing like it and suggested I go to Atlantic Spars as Kemp was taken over by selden, other than finding an old fitting on an existing mast.

So it would seem I have now gone full circle?

I think the only thing left, is the Delrin / Stainless steel washer option, but this will still leave the lower leg casting quite weak as there is not much left of it with the hole for the retaining pin directly under the worn away leg section.

Thanks for all those who contributed, but it would seem I have now come to a dead end?

Take it to a welding specialist and get them to build it up with ally weld. Then it can be taken down to the original size.

I did that with an ally boom end (the outboard end) casting, and it has lasted years.

 

[xeitosaphil]

Gooseneneck fitting

Thanks guys , thats just given me two more options to pursue.

Will let you know how I get on.

 

[xeitosaphil]

Does anybody recognise this Gooseneck fitting?

Hi Everyone,

To all those who contributed to my original post for help recognising my gooseneck fitting,I have found out it was a kemp fitting which was later taken over by Selden but which is not available anymore?

There may be one lurking in dark corner of a Chandlers somewhere but I have been unable to find one .

Thanks to all the suggestions which I followed up them all , but the only success I have had is I took it to my local S/S Metalworker while having a bespoke Mast Base fitting made and asked him if he could possibly build it up with Alluminium Weld ?

He was game to give it a try, so he had a go, and managed to make it up it up to a state where I could work with it, to bring it back to its original shape. Having filed it to shape and added a s/s washer between boom fitting and mast bracket, its as good if not better than original IMOHO?

I will monitor its wear, and if it should wear onsiderably again, when it reaches a state where it is very slack, I will put in a delrin washer between the s/s and the bottom bracket leg.

See Photos attached, Thanks again.

 

[Leonidas]

Just a thought - can you take the plate off and turn it upside down???

Apologies - I'm not familiar with the fitting type but someone suggested this on a previous post, and I've always remembered it for it's sheer genius!

I have done exactly the same job on a Francespar gooseneck that was worn out in the same way, about 10 years ago. I added 3 mm teflon washers to take up the slack and stop the wear from metal to metal contact. I renewed one of the bottom washers last year. Less than a 10 minute job. Apart from that I have done nothing else and the repair holds well. I must warn however that removing the fixing screws needs special care and can be time consuming.